Tango Vals

.. In a lot of early sheet music tangos were written with a 2/4 signature. Then in the 30s this changed to 4/4 sigs. ... Or possibly it's just a more convenient way to write down more complicated compositions...

Hi larrynla, cannot find the thread about this topic again (Milongas or fast Tangos). But, I remember, that I checked some scores and found out, that sometimes the signature is irrelevant: A lot of pieces with a 2/4 rhythm (Milonga) are written in 4/4 signature and vice versa.

... their English is good even though they are German...

Thanks, finally I know why my english is so bad :idea:
 
This is one of my favourites, too. And the turns: last year I tried like mad to manage these right-hand alteraciones between 0:42-0:48 and the side-volcadas between 0:55-1:02 properly :D

its pretty much a simple cadena; i'm working on a milonguero turn with a cross behind.
 
Thanks, finally I know why my english is so bad :idea:

Thanks for the laugh!

Though if your written English is an example your mastery of English is better than that of most born to the language.

I also like the example bordertangoman gave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgJS7UYeBbE

This is a performance and they have a lot of floor space and use it. But I notice that their embrace and the movements they use are quite compact and could be fitted into a much tighter space.

Laer
 
illegal dance book site

Actually that's an unauthorized site which copied my web page. Totally illegal. It's also way out of date. Please stop referencing it.

This is the correct link to the up-to-date web page, which includes a link to a Web page of music online which can be used for practicing. And a link to a page with lots of videos of many different kinds of social and show tango.

http://home.att.net/~larrydla/basics_0.html

Laer
 
Actually that's an unauthorized site ... Laer

Oh sorry, but my post with that link is outdated so I cannot change or remove it. Better Angel or any other admin may erase it. Seems as if someone runs his private stuff on the web server of a well known institute.
 
thanks for all your replies; I didnt know that there was such strong feeling about whether its called vals or tango vals; I assumed this was to distinguish it from ballroom waltz.

there are some nice turns in this example (if you have the space)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgJS7UYeBbE

I agree it should flow.I dont find the Detlef & Melina example particularly inspiring
and I think the options of picking out the rhythm or phrasing are a no-brainer.

Angel/Kierons comments on slowness are interesting and I shall probably experiment with these.

one of my favourite modern vals is Quiero Ser Tu Sombra by Trio Garufa: where the tempo slows up and down.
That's a great performance, although I wish the camera work was a little better (chopped off some of the footwork).

Thanks
 
Am I the only one who missed out on "Canter Rhythm"?
Oddly enough, I see the term in Skippy Blair's Dance Terminology Notebook from 1994.
(1) Canter Rhythm is double rhythm in 3/4 time. It was a popular Waltz Rhythm in the 1930's, but is seldom used today except in pivots.
(2) describes stepping on 1 3 4 6 for Canter pivots, and 1 3 for "double rhythm".

No one has taught me the Canter pivot (now they don't have to), but I haven't been able to find many references to valse in the AT world.

Canter rhythm

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Canter time, canter timing or canter rhythm is a two-beat regular rhythmic pattern of a musical instrument or in dance steps within 3/4 time music. The term is borrowed from the canter horse gait, which sounds three hoof beats followed by a pause, i.e., 3 accents in 4/4 time.
In waltz dances it may mark the 1st and the 4th eighths of the measure, producing a 2/4 time overlay beat over the 3/4 time. In other words, when a 3/4 measure is cued as "1,2,&,3,...", the canter rhythm marks "1" and "&". This rhythm is the basis of the Canter Waltz. In modern ballroom dancing, an example is Canter Pivot in Viennese Waltz.
In Vals (a 3/4 style of Tango), the canter rhythm is also known as medio galope[1] (which actually means "canter" in Spanish) and may accent beats 1 and 2 of the 3/4 measure.

Comments?
 
Re: Canter Rhythm

... the only one who missed .. Canter Rhythm ...
Cool, new word learned. Do you know the origin of it (Contra, Chanter, ... ??). I try to use double time elements in my dancing. Carminatas work well, still trying to do the quick mirrors to both sides properly. WR OD
 
Am I the only one who missed out on "Canter Rhythm"?
Oddly enough, I see the term in Skippy Blair's Dance Terminology Notebook from 1994.
(1) Canter Rhythm is double rhythm in 3/4 time. It was a popular Waltz Rhythm in the 1930's, but is seldom used today except in pivots.
(2) describes stepping on 1 3 4 6 for Canter pivots, and 1 3 for "double rhythm".

No one has taught me the Canter pivot (now they don't have to), but I haven't been able to find many references to valse in the AT world.

Canter rhythm

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Canter time, canter timing or canter rhythm is a two-beat regular rhythmic pattern of a musical instrument or in dance steps within 3/4 time music. The term is borrowed from the canter horse gait, which sounds three hoof beats followed by a pause, i.e., 3 accents in 4/4 time.
In waltz dances it may mark the 1st and the 4th eighths of the measure, producing a 2/4 time overlay beat over the 3/4 time. In other words, when a 3/4 measure is cued as "1,2,&,3,...", the canter rhythm marks "1" and "&". This rhythm is the basis of the Canter Waltz. In modern ballroom dancing, an example is Canter Pivot in Viennese Waltz.
In Vals (a 3/4 style of Tango), the canter rhythm is also known as medio galope[1] (which actually means "canter" in Spanish) and may accent beats 1 and 2 of the 3/4 measure.

Comments?

I had hoped never to have to hear the word Canter Pivot again in my life. :D That and the word fleckerel... :p
 
... and the word fleckerel... :p

Though I´m german I´m not familiar with this austrian dialect word fleckerl . Fleck is a spot, or patch, and a fleckerl is a little patch.
As far as I heard are fleckerls serveral turns on the spot in VW.

OD
 
Though I´m german I´m not familiar with this austrian dialect word fleckerl . Fleck is a spot, or patch, and a fleckerl is a little patch.
As far as I heard are fleckerls serveral turns on the spot in VW.

OD

exactly...and Canter Pivots are something I learned in VW.
 

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