The apilado equation

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For all the tango scientists:

Have I discovered the way to optimise the frame in apilado? A bit of maths fun, spot the howlers. I may also have used cos instead of sin by mistake!

M= your mass in kg x 9.81
m= your partner's weight (mxg)

$= angle of lean for yourself, (partner's angle is derived fropm yours i.e. = 180-$)

$=180 + (cos-1(m/M))/2

I was going to account for friction, but of course, the coefficient was too much hassle to work out.

When we repair our scanner I will post the diagram too!
 
You are assuming that both partners are straight (that is, not crooked), from foot to (chest) contact point?
 
I assumed they were trying to keep a smooth line and took the COM as the meeting point of the chests. I thought it would be OK to simplify it like that because i imagined that the forces would average out to approximate that anyway does this sound plausible? I just noticed I must have lost the plot with my attempt at trig simplification! Can anybody help?

how does one simplify (cos $)/cos(180-$) ?
 
"I think we would all have a better knowledge of tango if we understood the
fundamental physics underlying it. I have been researching the academic
journals and for your education and enjoyment I have summarised the current
state of knowledge. It answers such unresolved questions such as:

Why is tango so difficult?
Why do you never see three people dancing tango together?
Why collisions occur on the dance floor.
Why tango exists.

Some knowledge of quantum physics is desirable but by no means essential.
Now read on...

Tango Physics

The laws of physics apply to tango just as they do to other phenomena. Here
is a summary of current knowledge, obtained from leading text books and
recent research papers. Some of the more advanced theories must remain
speculative, pending further research.

Basics

Tango consists of the interaction of electrically charged particles
operating within a musical energy field.

There exist just two types of elementary particle: the tanguera particle and
the complementary tanguero particle.

The tanguera particle (or simply tanguera) is electrically charged by the
addition of high heeled shoes and a glamorous dress. The quantity of charge
is directly proportional to the height of the heels and inversely to the
quantity of material in the dress.

In contrast to the tanguera, the tanguero particle is more easily and
economically charged. The very appearance of a suitably charged tanguera is
usually sufficient to charge the tanguero. Some tangueros find themselves
already charged on waking up in the morning, for no apparent reason. The
quantity of charge appears totally unrelated to the tanguero's shoes or
apparel. Indeed, it also seems to be based on the tanguera's shoe height
and dress material.

Having complementary charges, the tanguera and tanguero are naturally
attracted to each other. The force of attraction is proportional to the
product of their individual charges and inversely proportional to the square
of the distance between them (the inverse square law). As this distance
approaches zero (the so-called close embrace) the attraction increases
without limit, leading to important and potentially unstable quantum effects
(see below).

The charges of two such particles in a close embrace cancel each other
(being of opposite polarity) and the couple become electrically neutral,
thus attracting no further particles. This is why you hardly ever see three
particles dancing together. (The Tango Lesson was trick photography. ) It
also explains why couples (which are electrically neutral) can collide with
each other.

Two tanguera particles have charges of the same polarity and are therefore
likely to repel each other, especially if wearing similar shoes or dress.

Two tanguero particles are able to happily co-exist in spite of the
similarity of their charges. The exception to this occurs in the presence
of a single tanguera particle, when one of the tangueros attaches to the
tanguera and the other is ejected.

Interactions of particles

Tango particles interact within a chamber known as a milonga under the
influence of musical energy supplied by an orquestra or, more cheaply, a
portable CD player.

The particles resonate with the application of the musical energy. Ideally
the particles resonate in proportion to the energy supplied (the basic
energy of Argentine tango, or 'beat' for short). However, not all particles
resonate at the appropriate frequency. Those which do are said to possess
the property of musicality. Tanguera particles are particularly strongly
attracted to tangueros possessing this property.

A tanguero at the extreme of the distribution, usually resonating at an
excessively high frequency relative to the beat is known as the null
tanguero particle. Continued contact with the null tanguero will usually
cause the tanguera particle to become completely electrically discharged and
to leave the dance floor.

Newton's laws of tango

1. A tanguera particle will remain at rest or continue in constant motion
unless acted upon by a force, usually applied by the tanguero particle.
2. A tanguera of mass m, acted upon by a force f exerted by the tanguero
will move with an acceleration a according to a = f/m. Beyond this, it is
generally unwise to refer to the mass of the tanguera particle.
3. For every tango teacher there is an equal and opposite tango teacher.
E.g. if a teacher says one should never lead with the left hand, then there
exists somewhere a teacher who says this is permitted or even encouraged.
If one teacher says the cross should be led, there is another who says it
isn't. This is why one should never change teacher, except in extremis.

Tango and chaos theory

The discovery of the mathematical theory of chaos in the 1980s shed new
light on some unresolved mysteries in tango. Just as a butterfly flapping
its wings in South America can cause a cyclone in Europe, so a misplaced
step in one part of the dance floor can cause, through a consequential
series of collisions, avoidances and sudden changes of direction, several
particles to trip over each other some time later in another part of the
milonga.

This is particularly likely if a new (i.e. inexperienced) tanguero particle
enters the dance floor, holding an excessive charge due to the close
proximity of so many charged tangueras. Attempting to restore its
equilibrium and shed excess energy, it moves at high velocity with many
sudden and unanticipated changes of direction. This initiates a series of
collisions which turns an initially orderly dance floor (low entropy) into
one of disorder (high entropy).

Chaos also reveals itself at the level of individual particles, for example
when executing a giro. The giro normally progresses according to the well
known Salas-Naveira equations of motion. However, a tiny perturbation to
the initial step can become magnified in subsequent steps such that the two
particles complete the giro in totally the wrong positions or, in the worst
scenario, fly apart completely. This solves the mystery of why the tango is
so difficult.

Why tango particles exist

Very occasionally two particles resonate together with perfect symmetry and
harmony, in time with the beat. The force of attraction between them
increases as the distance between them decreases until they effectively
become, for a short time, a single particle (a singularity in mathematical
terms). These are the quantum effects referred to above and they lead to a
tear in the very fabric of space-time itself and the particles disappear
from view, into a state known as nirvana (in the popular imagination this is
often located in the Buenos Aires area of Latin America). No communication
with the particles is possible during this time. The particles only
reappear when the energy supplied by the musical field is turned off.

We can only speculate where the tango particles go. The particles
themselves are quite unable to explain since, for them, time has slowed to a
standstill (in accordance with Einstein's theory of relativity). Indeed,
some of them are incapable of speech for several minutes on their return.
However, there is general agreement that this state of nirvana is the very
reason for the tango particles' existence."

from Mike Barrow on the Tango-uk forum
 
God bless you crazy man! At that level it doesn't matter how appalling my maths is because Newtonian Physics falls apart!
 
I think it was actually written by Mike Barrow, not Jocelyne. I had no idea he had all these theories, to my knowledge he lectures on economics!

ach! I must have read it on a reply their software doesn't have quotes so its sometimes hard to see who is the author of what!!

I stand corrected- and so does the post!
 
Okidoki, another thread that gives my feeble gnat brain a headache. :shock:

I do have to admit, that it is fascinating.
 
but the angle is the variable I was trying to calculate! Any other takers?
Whatever being the angle $, (cos $)/cos(180-$) =-1 You should use this relaction to calculate other parameters of your equation! :)

By the way, I didn't mention it before: I think that in the apilado equation the height of the dancers should be counted...
 
tango and string theory

String Theory and Tango

String theory emanated from the concept of vibration and has evolved into a current predominant theory that there are 11 types of string. These are known as : Falcon; Gardel; Calo; Biagi; Pugliese; Di Sarli, Fresedo, Tanturi, Piazzolla, Canaro, Gotan, and BajoFondo. Some say there are more some less.

Firstly it involves the Heineken Uncertainty Principle (basically that after drinking a given number of cans X of Heineken the amount that you think you have drunk varies by plus or minus a variable V until X reaches its Oblivion number which is where the Piazzollans and the Guardia Vieja differ in approach)

The second tenet which requires understanding is the Wittgenstein Deity Theorem. Originally postulated by Fermat on the back of a toilet door, but he ran out of room to demonstrate his proof due to the amount of graffiti already there. The Deity Theorem is easy to grasp but not so to prove. It says that: whenever scientists get anywhere near proving anything significant about the universe God throws spanner in the works by adding another level of complexity, which of course He can do. Wittgenstein’s famous quote ; “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent and write a very long book about it instead.”

The interaction of String Theory and Tango: in the same way that playing above the bridge of the violin can produce a sound like a duck so certain frequencies played on a bandoneon can be mistaken for the violin. This is known as Plank’s Shut that racket up I have a hangover and no I don’t care if its a violin or bandoneon hypothesis. Both instruments produce vibrations but string theory proposes that one end of the string is no longer attached to the violin. Not only not attached to the violin but it is wandering through an n-dimensional universe. Much as a snails idea of the universe is 2 dimensional so even when its crawling up a wall or your window it may conceive of the idea of jumping but will dismiss it as a purely hypothetical and quite impossible reality; whilst we can talk about n-dimensions we can’t actually imagine them. 4 is enough to think about (if we take time as a 4th dimension though we are skating on very thin scientific ice here as unlike gravity time cannot be measured for What we perceive when we think we measure time is actually changes in mechanical, chemical or atomic energy levels. Time is a Convenient Lie.

The Bart Effect put to bed Einstein’s theory of relativity. When two trains are travelling toward each other at the speed of light, a third observer will observe a pretty spectacular big bang and think the passengers don’t have a bat in hells chance.

D.J Milongeura replaced particle theory with a new concept: that the pairs of positively charged particles are travelling along imperceptible strings, and whilst in any 2 minutes 40 seconds you can demonstrate that are travelling along a CCW orbit; it is impossible to predict at any moment where they would be which way would be facing and whether or not they would be bumping into other pairs of particles. It was all down to the invisible strings.

The Tanda-Cortina Conjecture complicated things further. At 8 minute intervals the movement would cease and the particle enrage would decay. Some particles would split up, some would sit down at a table; others would pair up with new particles. Again the paths and the outcome was totally unpredictable but strings were thought to be attached. Professor Cortina of MIT said that paring, de-paring and repairing relied upon the influence of different strings.

Have got abroad picture along come two antithetical systems that make Tango String Theory a workable concept: Borgian Physics and Picardian Logic. Borgian Physics has two rules: 1. Resistance is Futile and 2. You Will Be Assimilated. Picardian Logic also has two tenets: 1. The more improbable some is of happening in the next 45 minutes the greater becomes its certainty of happening; and 2. “Make It So.”

The positive gamma particle operates under the first Borgian Rule and knows the other particle will not resist; the negative phi particle operates under the 2nd Rule and knows (like the Borg Queen or any back seat driver) that the gamma particle will be assimilated by her wiles and is therefore controlling the gamma particle. Meanwhile and parellelly (or paraplui if you prefer) Picardian Logic is dependent on Z, the Zum Factor and Boleon algebra and can predict the movement of the phi particle’s foot as a function of mass, acceleration, linear or rotational movement and relaxation of the leg (Newtonian physics I hear you exclaim) but the Zum factor relies on the Pugliese string to say when her leg will flick.

Quejas, Vibrez and Charm. Whilst Sollima declaimed that ‘Violonceles Vibrez’ Filiberto maintained that ‘Quejas de Bandoneon’. What was needed was a Unifying Theory. In 1993 this was convincingly postulated by Aubade in his ‘Lecons’, in which he argued that a total revelation was not possible but tantalising glimpses through the frilly, lacey, sheer and embroidered tulle of the space time continuum was possible.

(discuss)
 

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