The long-term solution is dual-role dancing?

What Melina calls "true double-role dancers" are, in my opinion, women who have this at the top of their priority list and feel a mission. Then they are willing to travel to her workshops, her tango teacher training, her double-role events. The explicit advantage that double-rolers can register unlimitedly between two waiting lists for leaders and followers makes perfect sense for her target group.

I would go further and restrict it even more to women who, despite sufficient acceptable leaders whom they enjoy dancing with (from their perspectives, naturally), maintain a balance between leading and following.

We all know women who identify themselves as dual-role dancers, and then follow most of the time whenever good leaders and/or a visiting teacher are in town.
 
We all know women who identify themselves as dual-role dancers, and then follow most of the time whenever good leaders and/or a visiting teacher are in town.
I thought the “true” dual role women are primarily interested in leading. What you are indicating is an existence of “surreptitious” dual-role dancers :rofl:

I am guessing the question in the title is asking a wrong question. There are different types of dual-rolers with separate agendas.
 
I think many fully dual role dancers just seek the best dances* regardless of the role.

If so, it makes some sense that they would favor one role or another depending on who the best available partners are.

* for dance quality, social reasons, or whatever.
 
If so, it makes some sense that they would favor one role or another depending on who the best available partners are.
Which is fine, but for role-balanced events it's obviously important that people dance the role(s) they promised when registering. Registering as a leader or 50/50 dancer and then dancing almost exclusively as a follower is clearly problematic.
 
Which is fine, but for role-balanced events it's obviously important that people dance the role(s) they promised when registering. Registering as a leader or 50/50 dancer and then dancing almost exclusively as a follower is clearly problematic.
Agreed. If they're taking a dual role slot, they should be mixing it up. I'd meant to respond to PM's post! somehow I lost the quote :/
We all know women who identify themselves as dual-role dancers, and then follow most of the time whenever good leaders and/or a visiting teacher are in town.
 
I think many fully dual role dancers just seek the best dances* regardless of the role.
Not at all! I don’t attend marathons and festivals. At the local milongas I go to and have visited that’s not at all the case. At least not in tango. Fusion and WCS, it’s different.

If so, it makes some sense that they would favor one role or another depending on who the best available partners are.

At the milongas or social, the single role dancers are also not selecting their partners or agreeing to dance request where skill is top criteria. Skill is lower down after familiarity, likelihood of acceptance/rejection, social status, etc. Everyone wanting to dance with best available partners will cause disharmony at the social dancing :D

* for dance quality, social reasons, or whatever.
Uh okay! You added a footnote. But I already composed my reply :D
 

The UK Supreme Court declared unanimously that woman is a biologically born female. It is definitive ruling against gender fluidity when rights of gender fluidity are pitted against the rights of women.

It sounds like largely a common sense ruling. It was asked to decide on equality act. The ruling didn’t do away with the rights of gender fluidity but provided much needed common sense clarification in its order.
 
The UK Supreme Court declared unanimously that woman is a biologically born female. It is definitive ruling against gender fluidity when rights of gender fluidity are pitted against the rights of women.
Rather off-topic for here, but the ruling was a very specific one. The Scottish government vowed to appoint men and women equally, but said that it would count trans people as their declared sex rather than their biological one. A women's charity said that was not compliant with equality legislation, and the court agreed.
 
Rather off-topic for here, but the ruling was a very specific one. The Scottish government vowed to appoint men and women equally, but said that it would count trans people as their declared sex rather than their biological one. A women's charity said that was not compliant with equality legislation, and the court agreed.
Yes while the ruling was very narrow about what you mentioned, it has far wider implications of social space and structure.

One of the leading activist in this case was a lesbian. Her point was that in lesbian only spaces, why should those be open to men who have transitioned to declare themselves as woman. The ruling brings forth a lot of uncomfortable questions about what British press calls single sex spaces. While on participation of transgenders in women’s sports is more cut and dry there are other other areas where everything is grey.

I head for first time about a man who was convicted of raping two women and then in jail decided to identify his gender as a woman and was put in women’s jail as a reason. That sounds so ridiculous but I think it happened in Scotland.

On some of the more thoughtful discussions I watched, there was a question that if a trans-woman had an emergency appendicitis operation perform, will she (he) find herself in male ward or female ward.

Then I heard of a few cases in UK where people lost their jobs for identifying by sex rather than gender.

The biggest and simplest indictment of this whole gender vs biological sex is the gotcha question by the right (in USA and the west) asked of politician “who is a woman” or “ what is a woman”. The answer to that was clear till recently and now that question is like a hot potato.

The UK Supreme Court also pointed out that this legal definition of sex, doesn’t do away with protection against discrimination for transgenders under the equality law of 2010 and other law from 2004.

Declared or adopted gender vs biological sex when in conflict creates a lot of questions on how social and public places should be structured.
 
gender vs biological sex

Honestly, I think the conflation of the former with the latter is causing most of the problems — biological sex matters, especially in a medical context, but gender identity can and should be respected, insofar as an individual's self-identity, personality, preferences, sexual orientation, etc. should be respected in general, but no more than any of these.
 
But it is inevitable that further questions arise now that the court has clarified what the label sex means legally.
I think that is sometimes the nature of the beast with jurisprudence. It's not specific to gender issues -- when a court with as much magnitude as the Supreme Court rules something it's often to fill a blank in the legislation or to clarify its meaning. Having a bit of new "information" will bring up a slew of new questions in many cases.
 

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