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Presenting your arguments in the light that isn't most flattering to you isn't "making up facts."
So you want the top teacher award happening in a back room. When everyone wants transparency. Ok. Perhaps those facts aren't "made up" but they sure don't make sense.
Of course, then everyone will want to know where the money to the comp goes. How dare they charge x per round! It doesn't cost that much to rent hotel space! Shouldn't more go to the teachers who are actually working? What about the prizes? Why aren't they MORE?

Since you didn't respond to anything except the transparency issue I will assume you agree with me.

As for the backroom; I gave an example that you really should have been able to understand about companies not giving out bonus checks in front of customers; since you didn't comment on that also, again I assume you agree with me.
 
Wooh, please step forward and collect your prize for making up the most facts in a online thread! (The audience applauds while Indy Lady refuses and dares you to give her the sideways look).

I am not going to go back through the entire 11 pages but perhaps you can tell me,

1. Where did anyone say they want to know where every cent an instructor makes comes from/goes?
2. You said, "Why should dance instructors have to defend any bonuses they get but you shouldn't have to defend how much you get paid?" This isn't one of your made up facts but I will answer the question. If my company gave out our bonuses in front of our customers, I guarantee you they would be livid, some of us (not me very often) get more in the yearly bonus check than our customers make in a year. They know we get a bonus and commission but they don't need or want to see the check (actually some would want to see it but only to complain and say they are paying

The point of the OP if I remember 11 pages later was questioning if the TT award is in the best interest of Ballroom dance. The statements made were that it could and has persuaded some Pros to push for more rounds for their own financial gain at the expense of the student. This has and continues to happen. (I doubt it happens with the pros on this board because they are giving of their time just being here and I doubt they would then turn around and try to extract additional lessons/rounds from a student, especially one who cannot afford it). I think the suggestion was made that perhaps they find a different way to compensate the Pro so they don't feel encouraged to do this. Of course the TT award is good for the organizers and the Pros, it does nothing for the AM and obviously sometimes causes hard feelings; it might be better taken off line than to display it on Saturday night.

Just another note for us AM's, if you think back to a competition I remember all the Pro's working non stop - they were making sure we knew our way around, knew where to sit, even where the restroom is. Keeping a close eye on when the next round was, practicing with us before hand, their work at a comp is never ending, yeah they earn what they get.


regarding it doing nothing for the AM...it has an up and down side....you lose some respect from some other pros and fellow dancers, maybe even a few judges but, on balance from what I have seen, it does in fact sometimes advantage that dancer in motivating other judges who are organizers and coaches to see the glass half full when marking them in order to be part of receiving the benefit at their own comp...that is my view...I have seen it...it is certainly true that it is never a financial benefit
 
Off topic but in regards to charging our students to do pro/am we switch from charging per entry to charging a flat fee per style. X dollars for smooth...etc.

This takes the pressure off us on selling more entries because we get our flat rate regardless. Now we leave it up to the student to budget what they can do and pick an appropriate amount of entries. I don't care if it's 5 or 200.

The weather changed and the dinosaurs didn't.

I am not sure how this will work out for you but it is commendable that you are stepping out of the box and trying a different approach which obviously benefits your students and I hope works for you too. If not, I have no doubt you will make a change and try again.
 
Off topic but in regards to charging our students to do pro/am we switch from charging per entry to charging a flat fee per style. X dollars for smooth...etc.

This takes the pressure off us on selling more entries because we get our flat rate regardless. Now we leave it up to the student to budget what they can do and pick an appropriate amount of entries. I don't care if it's 5 or 200.
that being said, if you want to charge me 10 k...I am going to want to dance your feet off :)
 
regarding it doing nothing for the AM...it has an up and down side....you lose some respect from some other pros and fellow dancers, maybe even a few judges but, on balance from what I have seen, it does in fact sometimes advantage that dancer in motivating other judges who are organizers and coaches to see the glass half full when marking them in order to be part of receiving the benefit at their own comp...that is my view...I have seen it...it is certainly true that it is never a financial benefit

A great point that hadn't crossed my mind.
 
Off topic but in regards to charging our students to do pro/am we switch from charging per entry to charging a flat fee per style. X dollars for smooth...etc.

This takes the pressure off us on selling more entries because we get our flat rate regardless. Now we leave it up to the student to budget what they can do and pick an appropriate amount of entries. I don't care if it's 5 or 200.

Question and then semi-related story:

So would the student pay a flat fee (studio's compensation) + the "wholesale" per heat fee x # heats? i.e. so it still costs more to do 200 heats than 5? [ETA: just saw the other posts and think I may have misunderstood]


On a side note, a fellow student was asking me the other day how much it cost to go to a certain comp that I had attended last year. I told her the total $X that it had cost me (studio charges a flat amount + per heat fee). An eavesdropper - sadly I don't recall if it was another student or a newer instructor, "corrected" me and said, "I think it's ($X minus $3000)". I responded that was the base price, you have to add on the per heat fee which is $Y per heat. That was the end of the conversation, but based on the look I got in return, it was not a pleasant revelation. So this is the sort of interaction that influences some of my thinking and comments.
 
The weather changed and the dinosaurs didn't.

I am not sure how this will work out for you but it is commendable that you are stepping out of the box and trying a different approach which obviously benefits your students and I hope works for you too. If not, I have no doubt you will make a change and try again.


Well it adds up to our benefit as well. I'm not the pope here lol. Plus doing it this way we push for more people to go to events rather take one or two and have them do a bunch of entries.
 
Question and then semi-related story:

So would the student pay a flat fee (studio's compensation) + the "wholesale" per heat fee x # heats? i.e. so it still costs more to do 200 heats than 5?


On a side note, a fellow student was asking me the other day how much it cost to go to a certain comp that I had attended last year. I told her the total $X that it had cost me (studio charges a flat amount + per heat fee). An eavesdropper - sadly I don't recall if it was another student or a newer instructor, "corrected" me and said, "I think it's ($X minus $3000)". I responded that was the base price, you have to add on the per heat fee which is $Y per heat. That was the end of the conversation, but based on the look I got in return, it was not a pleasant revelation. So this is the sort of interaction that influences some of my thinking and comments.


We have studio fee= x dollars for however many styles you dance.

Package fee- student package plus teacher package which is divided over how many students are going

Entry fee - wholesale cost. We don't up charge them. Yes 200 heats will cost more then 5 because that's what goes to organizer.
 
as to pros being helpful at comps and doing more than simply dancing the assigned heats, IME, that has no correlation to income...that is about the character of the professional

Yes, and I would also add that us more experienced students also do a lot of this too....we warm ourselves up before we go on, we find out where water, bathroom etc is, we get the program book and track our own heats...at last comp I stood in on deck area with water and towel to hand to pro in between heats when he was going back to back. Some things are just basic courtesy of being with a group and wanting everyone to do well.
 
It is interesting because money aside, it does seem that there is a sense of pride and excitement that both teachers and students get during top teacher/top student announcements. I just watched from the sidelines at two recent comps ( I will never make or spend enough to be top student..lol), and when the names were called out, people seemed genuinely happy and excited. I think for that moment in time, reality is suspended and 'top' seems to mean 'best' and I saw in the faces of those receiving the awards that they were quite thrilled...particularly the students. In all fairness...sometimes the top IS one of the best at the comp....someone who both excels and dances a lot of heats. Sometimes it is just someone who danced a lot! Either way, the recipients look very happy!
 
Once again, please feel free to tell us where every cent of your salary goes. Because many jobs don't pay enough to cover doing pro-am comps a few times a year, but apparently yours does. How is that a necessary part of your compensation? How many people have jobs that cover the costs of doing pro-am? I can name 10 random professions that do not. I can also name COUNTLESS people who think YOU make too much money to do what you do. But I'm sure you think your pay is either fair or not enough. Why should dance instructors have to defend any bonuses they get but you shouldn't have to defend how much you get paid?
If you have a job that requires you to travel on weekends, you make sure it pays enough to board your dog on weekends, pay for a babysitter. If you have a job that requires specific clothing, you make sure it pays enough to do so. If you're running your own business, as most instructors are, then making sure those costs are covered is part of setting your fees. If YOU were an independent contractor, you'd make sure your costs were covered or you wouldn't have a business for long.
And if you have a job with an incentive for sales, you're going to get bonuses. Heck, MANY professions have bonuses as part of the compensation structure. Sorry yours doesn't. If you feel you aren't paid properly in your profession, feel free to switch to becoming a dance instructor, and become one of the dance instructors obviously living in the lap of luxury. Of course, when they aren't swimming in their pool full of diamonds and cash, they also have to defend every cent they make from every source of income because of the demand for transparency. And then be criticized because they don't want their dog to starve and poop all over the house while they are away on business. And that doesn't seem something YOU are willing to do.
As you think it is ok to personally attack me for having and expressing an opinion,and you have done this in past threads as well, I'll stop commenting.
 
It is interesting because money aside, it does seem that there is a sense of pride and excitement that both teachers and students get during top teacher/top student announcements. I just watched from the sidelines at two recent comps ( I will never make or spend enough to be top student..lol), and when the names were called out, people seemed genuinely happy and excited. I think for that moment in time, reality is suspended and 'top' seems to mean 'best' and I saw in the faces of those receiving the awards that they were quite thrilled...particularly the students. In all fairness...sometimes the top IS one of the best at the comp....someone who both excels and dances a lot of heats. Sometimes it is just someone who danced a lot! Either way, the recipients look very happy!
there are actually some folks who are never told how "top" is formulated and are excited because they actually think it is about being best overall...there are others who just feel good because they danced their butts off and appreciate acknowledgement for that...as I have said elsewhere, with my first pro, who was a virtual unknown, I was happy because it put us on the radar, with my second pro it was expected....although I kept it as low as I could get away with...I would always go to the awards in the evening if I was still there as a courtesy to the organizer, but, as I said, I appreciated more things like a premium room, or the occasional gift basket....ohio was the only real exception because at the time there were limits to how much you could dance so the award had a higher likelihood of meaning something...
 
...I will assume you agree with me.
... again I assume you agree with me.
I thought you didn't like people making up facts. Sometimes I just have better things to do than argue with EVERY single point one makes. Especially when I don't really care how people spend their money. Mostly I just find it annoying when people who are at an event catering entirely to them are so selfish that they can't handle the few moments that are not all about them. You're lucky enough to live in a country where despite your inability to find a dance partner, you can pay someone to be your dance partner. You're lucky enough to have the money to do so. Yet OH MY GOODNESS there's an expectation that you spend a few minutes clapping for "the help."
 
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