Traffic declining?
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nucat78
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After about 10-20 posts on any subject, the discussion has usually degenerated to the point where reading further is pointless. Exceptions exist, but...
bordertangoman
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but....... NO-ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION SCHOOL OF TANGO. Our chief Rule of Tango is Improvisation.
( sorry couldn't resist
)but....... NO-ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION SCHOOL OF TANGO. Our chief Rule of Tango is Improvisation.
( sorry couldn't resist
Oh nooooo! *runs for the hills* :lol:
opendoor
Forum Master
I would think that topics and personal approach will change and evolve the further and deeper you get into dancing. So you mean a lot of members are not getting any place concerning their developement?
So to say through with the period of dance-less writing and now in the period of speech-less dancing?
You mean, your interest only was to get technical help?
That was a major point for my joining: training to discuss in a foreign language and sharing ideas with people from different continents.
..that sounds familiar to me.
Well, there have been ups and downs since i got here.
For me personally there is also a growing frustration with my inability to actually communicate about tango. In some ways i am listening to my thoughts, and i am starting to sound like the people i used to think were utterly unhelpful. My first thought when people ask me about techinque at the moment generally "you are asking for the wrong thing - if your basics and technique were correct this would more or less just happen" - which is not a helpful answer. And saying things like "more pressure here, less pressure there, hip squared, core engaged, a tiny bit less dissociation" and so on don't help at the moment, either. Or "just pay attention to everything as if your life depended on it".
In the chinese martial arts there is the idea that the actual martial art is not what people do, but how they learn to actually do it - this is why the training montage with more or less bizarre methods is in every martial arts movie - that is where the secrets are.
In the japanese martial arts the line is "steal my art". You get only the more or less useless training methods, and how to actually do anything with it is the secret that the student unlocks.
In the indonesian martial arts there is a strict delination between the martial art, which is sponatneous, individual, and can neither be taught or studied - the "flower" and the training, which provides the seeds and the ground where the flower grows - and that is what is taught and and studied.
Tango is in some ways similar - the dance at a crowded milonga is its ultimate expression, and i know bits and pieces of the foundation this expression rests on, and tricks that show off the quality of the foundation, but they are not the foundation, and reverse engeneering e.g. walking techinque, a sense of ones partners balance and movement, the dynamic elasticity and continiuos connection of a nice embrace from doing an frozen in-line boleo is in my opinion quite difficult. So i watch milongas and i see people doing things that look on outside like the real thing, but work completely differently, and i don't know how to communicate that yes, everything was perfect, but at the same time it was completely wrong from what i think the "proper technique" is. And looking back on a lot of the things i used to think i am not quite sure if what i think is wrong today will not be right again once i understand things deeper.
Gssh
For me personally there is also a growing frustration with my inability to actually communicate about tango. In some ways i am listening to my thoughts, and i am starting to sound like the people i used to think were utterly unhelpful. My first thought when people ask me about techinque at the moment generally "you are asking for the wrong thing - if your basics and technique were correct this would more or less just happen" - which is not a helpful answer. And saying things like "more pressure here, less pressure there, hip squared, core engaged, a tiny bit less dissociation" and so on don't help at the moment, either. Or "just pay attention to everything as if your life depended on it".
In the chinese martial arts there is the idea that the actual martial art is not what people do, but how they learn to actually do it - this is why the training montage with more or less bizarre methods is in every martial arts movie - that is where the secrets are.
In the japanese martial arts the line is "steal my art". You get only the more or less useless training methods, and how to actually do anything with it is the secret that the student unlocks.
In the indonesian martial arts there is a strict delination between the martial art, which is sponatneous, individual, and can neither be taught or studied - the "flower" and the training, which provides the seeds and the ground where the flower grows - and that is what is taught and and studied.
Tango is in some ways similar - the dance at a crowded milonga is its ultimate expression, and i know bits and pieces of the foundation this expression rests on, and tricks that show off the quality of the foundation, but they are not the foundation, and reverse engeneering e.g. walking techinque, a sense of ones partners balance and movement, the dynamic elasticity and continiuos connection of a nice embrace from doing an frozen in-line boleo is in my opinion quite difficult. So i watch milongas and i see people doing things that look on outside like the real thing, but work completely differently, and i don't know how to communicate that yes, everything was perfect, but at the same time it was completely wrong from what i think the "proper technique" is. And looking back on a lot of the things i used to think i am not quite sure if what i think is wrong today will not be right again once i understand things deeper.
Gssh
I've always been suspicious of those numbers.
The number viewing at any given time usually includes bots. It's not all human beings.
And the part I bolded above is why I have dabbled in this forum and bowed out more than once. There are just a few people who participate here just enough to sour the mood and who are insistent that the length, shape, size and color of each of your fingernails be historically accurate and up to some standard they have set. And they're not at all hesitant to derail each and every thread until you get the epiphany that your fingernails are wrong.
Meanwhile the moon hangs unstudied in the sky. *sigh*
As I've observed about another, totally non-dance thread, recently, it's a pity that the few can poison the well for the many. *sigh*
bordertangoman
Well-Known Member
a very good post; a Black Belt is on its way to you....
*laugh* You know, it is not the belt system that i am missing in tango - it is the moment where we put on the gloves and the mouthguards, and pressure test technique. I think tango would be a much nicer place if people would get repeatedly taken down and punched when they don't work on doing things the right way. At least i found it very enlightening - especially when a teacher just walked just right through it when i tried something i thought was exceedingly clever. Sadly in tango the reaction to "i can not pull this off in real time" is often neither "do something differen" nor "get much, much better at it" but "complain that your partner is not enabling your technique, and teach them how exactly they have to react and where they have to pose and wait for you to make it work".
Gssh
I have often reflected that in some ways martial arts are more directly honest than dancing. If one tries something the wrong way on a judo mat, one lands hard on the ground (or ends up in a choke or an arm lock, or all of those things). It's a very clear test of whether or not one is doing well.
By contrast, in the dancing community, one's gauge of how well one is doing seems much more closely tied to verbal feedback.