"Ugly Americans"

should I bring a scarf just in case?
Bring a scarf, just in case, it won't take up much room in your purse and that way you'll be ready for anything. And who knows, it might come in handy for an impromptu picnic or for wrapping up a breakable that you've bought during the day.

But some of the other guests ... I couldn't believe it. Some wore shorts and T-shirts or tank tops, even women who were old enough to know better (and who would have looked MUCH better in something more covered). Is this common? Or am I an old fogy?

You are not an old fogy, you are what I'd call on the 'right' side of the line as to how to dress appropriately. These are mostly likely the same people who will show up at the Vatican in shorts and then won't be able to get in....
 
Joining this thread very late in the day but just to echo what everyone else has said ...
We always joked that you could spot the American tourists on the Tube because they were loud, obnoxious, required too much personal space and (most obviously, lol!) wore white sneakers and white socks.
And the scarf is a good idea - recalling the time I almost couldn't get into the Duomo in Milan ... like a big pashmina you could keep around your shoulders to stay warm - which also has the advantage of dressing you up!
Anyway, it sounds like you've given this far more consideration than most, so I imagine you'll be just fine ... have fun!
 
Thanks again everyone.

It's all coming together now. We're sending one suitcase ahead to meet us in Istanbul ... we don't need the tuxedo, suits and gowns for the Budapest/train part of the trip, and we'd rather not drag them around for the first week ... I'm just waiting to hear what time it will be picked up tomorrow. The suitcase for the first part of the trip will have the shawl and scarf. I decided that I won't bring an extra skirt, but just have the fun of buying one if I need it. That way I can see what other people are wearing before I have to make a decision.

We got our passports in time ... they're not kidding when they say it takes 10 weeks now (because of the new rules) ... ours took 9 1/2 weeks for a renewal, and we ordered them in February.

We have the train tickets for the Budapest to Bucharest leg in hand. Friends of friends bought the tickets for the Bucharest to Istanbul leg, and they expect to deliver them to us on the day we need them ... they are in Bucharest now, but expect to be in Budapest before we leave (nail-biting time .. I'm more comfortable when things are done well in advance).

Yesterday at the Mother's Day gathering I gave everyone a copy of our itinerary, so if anything happens in that part of the world they can check and confirm we are somewhere else (of course nothing bad is going to happen where we are ...).

Two days from now we'll be on our way ... it's starting to feel real.

I don't think I'll be checking DF during the trip, so there will be a lot to catch up on when I return.
 
Oh have fun Zhena. My friend also said that when she goes to places like that, she'll end up buying things there instead of taking them with her. So, if you need anything you can always buy it when you get to the places. Take lots of pics. ;)
 
Interesting topic. I don't know so much about how people dress in Hungary, Turkey and Italy, but the advice already given sounds good for my part of the world. Not just to not look like a tourist, but also to be trendy.

I would say you'll do fine as long as you don't use those bags strapped on your belly. They look terrible, like you belt has swallowed something big...
 
it's too late, but the lack of humility is usually a dead giveaway in identifying americans abroad.
 
Fortunately that won't be a problem for Zhena. She's really nice, she'll probably be asked if she's Canadian :)
 
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Variations on the same riff. Of Course here in Essex things are so much classier...


You forgot London........:D
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Fortunately that won't be a problem for Zhena. She's really nice, she'll probably be asked if she's Canadian :)

Awww :oops: Thanks, Laura.

Actually, people over there, especially in tourist places, seem to be very good at picking us out as American. Greetings were generally in English, though a few tried German first. I don't really mind being tagged as American as long as it's not combined with "clueless" or "obnoxious". I can't describe the things that set us apart, but I know they exist. In fact, one time when we needed a little help, we spotted another couple and immediately knew they were American too -- they got us over our little bump.

Getting back to the dress question, I noticed about the same range of variation -- stylish, casual, sloppy, etc. -- that I do in San Francisco. So I didn't make any changes or buy anything special; I just wore what I brought in the same way I would at home.

A few religious sites had posted codes, like no flash, no photos, no food, etc. (I really liked the sign that included a tank top and pair of shorts with the red circle-slash symbol over it). There were always a few people who ignored the codes, except at one site. At the Sultanahmet (Blue) Mosque in Istanbul, they had visitors enter from the side. There they provided plastic bags for shoes (for everyone) and pieces of fabric with velcro (like a sarong) that they handed to every adult, male or female, whose knees were showing. In addition, when we went back a second time later in the afternoon when there were fewer visitors and more opportunity to pay attention, they had other pieces of fabric they handed to women without headcoverings. They collected the bags and fabric at the exits.

I have lots more stories and observations to post, but I probably won't have time until the weekend ... stay tuned.
 
Actually, people over there, especially in tourist places, seem to be very good at picking us out as American. Greetings were generally in English, though a few tried German first. I don't really mind being tagged as American as long as it's not combined with "clueless" or "obnoxious". I can't describe the things that set us apart, but I know they exist. In fact, one time when we needed a little help, we spotted another couple and immediately knew they were American too -- they got us over our little bump.
I was going to say something to that effect when this thread first came up, but I decided it would be unnecessarily discouraging.

But yeah. I don't really think there is any way to 'hide' the fact that one is a tourist when traveling abroad. And as you say, why would one want to really? Be what you are. ;)
 
Zhena, I was just wondering if you were back and how your trip went! Nice to see you posting, and I hope the trip was wonderful.
 

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