Weave from PP after Chasse from PP in Waltz: is it possible?

[Mengu]

Chasse from PP ending in PP is not syllabus. If you're dancing syllabus, it's a moot point whether you can follow it with a weave from PP or not, so the book wouldn't mention it.

If you're dancing open, it's fine.

If you're dancing open, the more common thing to do (not that you have to do the more common thing) would be closing the lady at the end of your chasse from PP toward DC (as written in syllabus), and following it with a quick open reverse (or other syncopated reverse figure). A chasse from PP ending in PP is more commonly used to move from the center toward a corner (commencing in DW), or to travel alongside LoD. For what it's worth, in either case, I would prefer a ripple chasse.

I'm sure I've danced a weave from closed position as sort of a trouble step to avoid traffic (particularly socially), so that's possible too, but it's not syllabus, and I wouldn't put it in a routine.

Also, if you are in promenade, and already moving DC, why do you need a chasse from PP ending in PP, when you can just dance a weave from PP right there?

Also, I find nothing wrong with closed wing. It is an uncommon figure that when danced well can be eye catching. Yes, it feels awkward for a bit, until it doesn't.

 

[DL]

Maybe after an open impetus?

Why not just do the weave from PP directly, then?

 

[Strawberry]

Thanks you for replying me and help me to find out suitable figures to follow the Chasse from PP. Actually to me there's two situations to take a Chasse from PP moving DC: follow an Open Impetus or follow a Fallaway Whisk, is it alright?

I think I may dance a Weave from PP directly after that, but I'd like to add a more colorful figure (or two figures: Chasse from PP to another Chasse from PP) in case the room is large and I wanna move to really near the Center to attract people before we dance Weave to change the direction from diagnally to center to diagnally to wall to keep moving fluently along the LOD!!!

Oooooos, I think follow a Chasse from PP by a Fallaway Whisk is dangerious, because if so then we lost the LOD?

 

[Standarddancer]

So you are dancing open?

I don't think you can dance open impetus after chasse from PP, because you need your left foot free to step back (backing LOD according to page 33 of rule book), however after Chasse from PP, you would be facing DC (as you prefer) or face DW (page 16 of rule book), and you have your weight on left foot after completed Chasse.

If you are dancing open, and prefer some "colorful steps" to enable you and DP to move fluidly across the floor, why not doing chasse from PP to DC, quick open reverse overspin , double reverse, open telemark to throw away oversway (or left whisk, or hinge)? This looks way more dynamic than chasse from PP then ended in PP, too many promenade position in one single long side, isn't it repetitive?

Regarding fallaway whisk after chasse from PP (ended in closed position), man facing DW, I would recommend if you've already done 2/3 of long side after Chasse, so you could travel towards corner when doing the whisk, after done the whisk, your right foot would pointing to the new DC, you'll start your short side after the fallaway whisk.

 

[Strawberry]

Thank Standarddanncer so much, and oh my goshhh your suggested combination to move to DC is is is excellent, yet seem a lil bit hard to lead a common lady.

Sorry for the mistranslation but my routine mentioned was from an 1-3 Natural Turn to Open Impetus or to Fallaway Whisk, then to a Chasse from PP ended in promenade position then another Chasse from PP to DC to a Weave from PP to ended DW continue with a Chasse or a Turning Lock to Right Lunge at corner. Is it beautiful?

Your suggestion is also a colorful and beautiful combination to move DC but I will practice it when I have done my simple and easy combination above. Can you tell me what's the diffirence in the lead between a Chasse from PP ended in closed position and a Chasse from PP ended in PP please? How to indicate the lady to continue PP or closed it? By hand, head weight, or hip, or something else please? Thanks

 

[Casayoto]

You really need to specify if you are talking about syllabus, or open level. The combinations you are describing are completely illegal in syllabus. If you are talking about open choreography, it totally changes the answer to your question.

 

[Strawberry]

You really need to specify if you are talking about syllabus, or open level. The combinations you are describing are completely illegal in syllabus. If you are talking about open choreography, it totally changes the answer to your question.

Yup, I mean open choreography, of course. Open choreography based on common figures. Noone could help me the lead of the Chasse from PP ending whether in PP or closed position?

 

[Standarddancer]

Ok since you confirmed you are dancing open, it's much more clear that basically you could dance any fiures as you wish

I personally do not prefer dancing the long side with Chasse from PP and end in PP, because after natural turn, open impetus turn, your left foot pointing DC, your body facing LOD, you moving along DC, if you don't close your partner at end of Chasse, you and partner would still pretty much moving towards DC, continue moving towards DC at 2nd Chasse, you guys can easily dance cross the center line, so besides this combination missing variety (too many promenade position), also there are some judges' pet peeves to see a couple cross the center line.

Unless you are dancing at a gigantic floor such as Blackpool, I wouldn't use Chasse to PP end in PP, bcs based on my experience, most comp floor at US are not super big. You probably could do it without across center line at big comp such as manhattan dancesport or Embassy Ball. I doubt it would fit the long side of small local comp.

That's my personal opinion, you don't have to listen to me if you and DP are completely comfortable with dancing the figure.

 

[madmaximus]

An expressive oldie ... open-work sample using your Chasse in PP

[1] [&] [2] -- Running Open Nat. Turn (man's R/L/R) to DW

[31&] -- Man's LF into Whisk Position ending in PP to DC [Hold for 2 Beats]. To achieve proper expression, drag the whisk foot (man's LF/lady's RF) into place as slow as possible.

[23] [&] -- 1st 2 steps of Foxtrot 3 Step taken in PP to DC (HT/TH, Rise and hold on [23]

[1] [&] [2] [3&] -- Chasse in PP to DC (a back-sway may be performed here, if desired)

[1] [&] [2] [3] -- Big Top (or taken as [1] [&] [23] [&] )

Follow with combinations of Running Contra Check (aka Hover Tele) or DRS, Telemark/Telespins/Pivots/Fallaway as convenient or as desired...

Good contrast, many emergency exit options, long traverse, typically good for use on a long wall.





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[madmaximus]

Strawberry,
Regarding the lead to close from PP...

In open work, how you close from PP (and therefore, by extension, the LEAD) will depend largely on the next figure you intend to do.


It can be indicated by position (where you step), by hip/shoulder (rotate left if you're intending towards a reverse-type movement, or the opposite, and just the hip, if natural-type movement)---in other words, it really varies.




m

 

[drejenpha]

Noone could help me the lead of the Chasse from PP ending whether in PP or closed position?

To lead it ending in PP don't close the follow... the lead is really a lack of change, instead of closing her to end it closed you don't and she (hopefully) stays open.

 

[Standarddancer]

Long time ago, in one lesson with one of the English coaches, she indicated Chasse from PP ended in closed position requires the man to do a very subtle and slight turn of body to Left between 1 & 2 (as LF to side and slightly forward), it's very subtle, much less than the lady, rule book indicated lady turns 1/8 between 1-2, so the man turns much less than 1/8.

DP found the leading to close the lady to closed position from Chasse is in a way similar to the leading of close the lady in Wing, as putting foot pressure on right foot at end of 1 (commence to rise end of 1), there is a slight body/hip turn to L; Technique book does not mention the slight body turn to L for Chasse from PP, but in reality, many coaches teach this and recommend this to close the lady. Some coaches recommend hip turns more than body.

And yes, if you do not wish to close the lady at end of Chasse from PP, just do not turn body/hip to left at all, keep going straight to keep her in PP.

 

[famfam]

Long time ago, in one lesson with one of the English coaches, she indicated Chasse from PP ended in closed position requires the man to do a very subtle and slight turn of body to Left between 1 & 2 (as LF to side and slightly forward), it's very subtle, much less than the lady, rule book indicated lady turns 1/8 between 1-2, so the man turns much less than 1/8.

DP found the leading to close the lady to closed position from Chasse is in a way similar to the leading of close the lady in Wing, as putting foot pressure on right foot at end of 1 (commence to rise end of 1), there is a slight body/hip turn to L; Technique book does not mention the slight body turn to L for Chasse from PP, but in reality, many coaches teach this and recommend this to close the lady. Some coaches recommend hip turns more than body.

And yes, if you do not wish to close the lady at end of Chasse from PP, just do not turn body/hip to left at all, keep going straight to keep her in PP.

Not sure if I agree with the end here. I have also been taught that after the Chasse from PP, the typical lead is kind of assumed, but is supposed to be there to get the lady to closed (as standdarddancer stated, it's a slight turn). If you want to stay in PP however, my feeling is that you would close at step two, as you are both chasse-ing in closed I believe, (and that would be weird to do if you stayed open in PP), but that you would turn back to promenade on the last step, leading her (and yourself) to step into promenade. If this ends DC, this would work for the lead into the weave from PP immediately after.

Again, that is my interpretation, and also it's open, so you have earned the freedom to do whatever seems natural (or cool) to you.

 

[Standarddancer]

I see how it could be to Chasse together in closed position and open back to PP only at the last step, it's completely possible, to lead this, on step 2 as man's left foot step to side and slightly forward, keep the rotation to left at minimum but sway to right (lady sway to left) for bigger shape, then maintain the sway as man closes his right foot to left. On last step, man step LF forward again, he will dissolve the right sway shape by bring his left side forward and right side up. lady would naturally open to PP as she recovers from her left sway shape. Some coaches suggesting the amount of sway is much greater than rotation on Step 2.

 

[Josh]

If you want to stay in PP however, my feeling is that you would close at step two, as you are both chasse-ing in closed I believe, (and that would be weird to do if you stayed open in PP), but that you would turn back to promenade on the last step, leading her (and yourself) to step into promenade.

What you're suggesting is very possible, and quite beautiful to dance. But it's even easier, and possibly more common to see promenade maintained throughout the whole figure instead of closing and reopening. It is the only way in american style waltz, for example, that a chasse from PP is typically danced.