What are DJs doing wrong

In my opinion, DJs who play music that's unpleasant to dance to for the majority, should be replaced by better DJs
Nothing wrong with experimenting - provided everything isn't an experiment.
I can't do anything with the term "obscure gems" in this context
That's about forming a view on what's liked, and disliked.
I'm surprised that no one here has responded to my theory (see above) that the use of Spotify or AI also has an anarchic component!
How's that anarchic? One might also use recommendations - like yours - which may be oart of some LLM type database. It's just a statistical choice.
 
...How's that anarchic?
Too bad, I thought I had made myself clear enough in the comments leading up to my last statement:
I know so many experienced dancers who are dissatisfied with the repertoire of experienced and well-known international DJs.

Spotify, AI, and tools like TangoLink make a dancer independent of this paternalism!
 
I think this independence already came with the ability to download MP3 music online.

Spotify simplifies music consumption. Just as Wikipedia simplifies the consumption of knowledge, Facebook the consumption of news, and Instagram the consumption of images. Whether this has created a better environment is a matter of opinion.
 
I think this independence already came with the ability to download MP3 music online.
Yes. If you knew where to find it - even 'free'. And if you had your own storage and playback systems. Even 'lossless' formats - although I suspect most AT dancers too old to notice. Maybe even interpolated and resampled to any other format if you know how to work it.
Spotify simplifies music consumption. Just as Wikipedia simplifies the consumption of knowledge, Facebook the consumption of news, and Instagram the consumption of images.
Yes, for those (the many) who don't understand the tech.
Whether this has created a better environment is a matter of opinion.
Time will tell. The question of false information used to come up. Now it's hallucinated. And, as I suggested, the obvious, simple, indicator of 'popularity' is frequency of playing.

I don't see any of that as 'anarchic'.
 
I'm surprised that no one here has responded to my theory (see above) that the use of Spotify or AI also has an anarchic component!

I actually agree, and I wasn't dancing tango 15-20 years ago, but my impression is that both the younger generation and the older generation have on average better taste in music than that middle group (or that group is just suffering from the equivalent of Stockholm syndrome)
 
Spotify, AI, and tools like TangoLink make a dancer independent of this paternalism!
TangoLink, the tool for DJs to synchronize their local metadata with that of el-recodo.com? Yes, as with their other tools TangoScan, Tanda Manager, and Play!, you provide your data so that (eventually?) useful suggestions for tango streaming can be made. In my opinion, there will soon be useful tanda suggestions for DJs, and then soon after, automatically managed milonga music.
Whether this will change the musical tastes of the crowd remains to be seen, but I'm not yet convinced, because hardly anyone listens to traditional tango music privately anyway, even most DJs not IMO.
 
..In my opinion, there will soon be useful tanda suggestions for DJs, and then soon after, automatically managed milonga music..
You're still caught up in the technical aspects of the topic, itwillhappen . But this is merely a random epiphenomenon. Basically I'm talking about the kind of tango music that's being played, and indirectly, of course, about the prescribed dance style. And the traditional DJ and the organizers of encuentros milonguero always pulled together.

For years, the purchase price of DJ gear was the bottleneck used to secure the dominance of the traditional DJ. The aficionado who plugged the cable into the 3.5 mm audio jack was publicly insulted. (I'm not talking about the technical side here, but the sociological one.) The penultimate attempt by the ruling DJ class to differentiate themselves was the purchase of lossless encoded music.

Understand me correctly, it's not really about audio quality, but about enforcing a conservative vision of tango. I've had countless arguments with Melina about what constitutes danceable music. My point here is simply to highlight the alliance between tech geeks and nerds with the right wing of the tango community.
 
You're still caught up in the technical aspects of the topic, itwillhappen . But this is merely a random epiphenomenon. Basically I'm talking about the kind of tango music that's being played, and indirectly, of course, about the prescribed dance style. And the traditional DJ and the organizers of encuentros milonguero always pulled together.
Spotify has been around for 20 years, Encuentros for only 15. And of course, conservative organizers hire conservative DJs for conservative events. But the audience has always had, and still has, the choice to attend other events.

For years, the purchase price of DJ gear was the bottleneck used to secure the dominance of the traditional DJ. The aficionado who plugged the cable into the 3.5 mm audio jack was publicly insulted. (I'm not talking about the technical side here, but the sociological one.) The penultimate attempt by the ruling DJ class to differentiate themselves was the purchase of lossless encoded music.
In the distant past, obtaining usable tango tracks depended on personal connections or long-distance travel; the crucial "democratization" occurred when access became available to everyone. But regardless, if there are positive effects now, then everything is fine.

Understand me correctly, it's not really about audio quality, but about enforcing a conservative vision of tango. I've had countless arguments with Melina about what constitutes danceable music. My point here is simply to highlight the alliance between tech geeks and nerds with the right wing of the tango community.
Tango suggests that success comes from hard work and following rules. This also attracts individuals with challenging personalities, even mild autism, often combined with mathematical and audiophile talent. For these people, the DJ booth is a safe, ideal space that exerts a magnetic pull. This will likely remain the case, but since the pandemic, when many had to dance to the acoustic quality of Zoom and similar platforms, discussions about audio quality seem to have diminished significantly.
 
The second provider of a commercial tango database has now announced a tango scanner. Simply put, a "Shazam" with a tango-specific database.

What's IMO still missing to efficiently train an AI model is structured feedback about tandas and satisfaction of real milongas, including feedback from and for organizers. For example, a free "tango scanner lite app" for registered milongas could display and play the track history ... and send back feedback and future requests. I think this isn't so much a technical problem, but rather that the business case of the providers currently(!) relies on DJs, who would likely to be less than thrilled with such conditions.

Well, technological development will continue, and it's not relevant here in Europe, because DJing generally is never a profitable job. But if I were starting out as a DJ now, I would keep the effort and costs as low as possible, focusing on immediate and reliable set opportunities. And I wouldn't run a scanner on my tango library and tanda playlists nowadays.
 
The second provider of a commercial tango database has now announced a tango scanner. Simply put, a "Shazam" with a tango-specific database..
I didn't understand the advantage of this app at all. The percentage of extra tracks not listed on Shazam is extremely small. And these extra tracks are rarely played at milongas anyway. It will mainly refer to CD releases that don't include discographical information about the original releases (i.e., shellacs). Perhaps you read my critical comment on this. But once again, it didn't find any resonance. The average tango DJ simply isn't interested in discographical information.
 
Thought experiment: if you are a DJ and wanted to have people not dance - let’s say to prop up the alcohol sale at the venue or because your past lover is there and you want to spite them - what would you do?

You have to still stick to the tanda system, can’t be obvious about it, but your goal is to do all the things dancers hate. How would you go about it?
 
..How would you go about it?
As I mentioned earlier, the tango crowd isn't selective in their listening and will dance to any music that's the problem.
However, there may be one exception: dancers who attend traditional milogas have been taught that drums, electrotango, and Piazzolla are the work of the devil. So they won't dance. Conversely, at neolongas, people will be outraged if OTV or d'Agostino-Vargas is played.
 
Thought experiment: if you are a DJ and wanted to have people not dance - let’s say to prop up the alcohol sale at the venue or because your past lover is there and you want to spite them - what would you do?
Good question. I would play an hour of similar gloomy yet challenging tracks in a row. I think a series like Pugliese-Maciel, Salamanca-Guerrico, di Sarli-Pomar, Gobbi-Landó, de Angelis-Larroca, Maderna-Rivas could do the trick. Then hopefully most of the leaders would be thoroughly exhausted, duped, disappointed, and finally change their shoes. :cool:
 

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