What are you currently 'working on' in A.T.?-Vol.II

Working on forward walks now. I could tell what I was doing wrong, but couldn't figure out how to fix it. Teacher broke it all down for me so I am vowing to spend enough time practicing that there will be an improvement by next lesson.
Would you like to share the 'breakdown'?
My first year I had variious instructors and friends giving me advice about keeping the posture in a certain way; upright sternum, ribcage, etc. etc. I can honestly say that nothing worked. Until, a male teacher held me in his embrace in order to show me what it felt like...much more relaxed than I ever imagined..a simple, warm hug. That plus the advice to stand leaning forward (tower of Pisa) with weight on the balls of my feet and hips, legs, back, etc. very relaxed.:p
 
Would you like to share the 'breakdown'?
My first year I had variious instructors and friends giving me advice about keeping the posture in a certain way; upright sternum, ribcage, etc. etc. I can honestly say that nothing worked. Until, a male teacher held me in his embrace in order to show me what it felt like...much more relaxed than I ever imagined..a simple, warm hug. That plus the advice to stand leaning forward (tower of Pisa) with weight on the balls of my feet and hips, legs, back, etc. very relaxed.:p
My issues are different. My problem originates less in the posture than in how I use my legs. My backward walk is OK, but going forward I am not extending enough and I am not using my standing leg. She pointed out several things: that I am hesitating in responding to leader's initiation of forward walk; that I need to stretch the forward leg a bit more and then bend that leg as I bring the standing leg forward. I should mention that I am a follower and assume from your name that you are a leader and this may make some difference too.
 
She pointed out several things: that I am hesitating in responding to leader's initiation of forward walk
This is very, very common. I think it's our brains thinking that we will step on our partner. Guys have to get over it pretty quickly when they learn to lead. Having someone "ask" their partner to walk forward is a lot less common. It's rare to lead this and have the woman step forward like she means it.
 
This is very, very common. I think it's our brains thinking that we will step on our partner. Guys have to get over it pretty quickly when they learn to lead. Having someone "ask" their partner to walk forward is a lot less common. It's rare to lead this and have the woman step forward like she means it.
Thanks, that makes me feel better!
 
New_in_NY - that's still a big issue for me too. I can be going along fine, landing firmly and smoothly and then my partner leads a forward step and my body goes, "you want me to do what?" It's getting better but I still hesitate a little. With regards to walking, I did find that watching video of myself (once I got done cringing) was very helpful in pinpointing where it was breaking down for me.
 
This is very, very common. I think it's our brains thinking that we will step on our partner. Guys have to get over it pretty quickly when they learn to lead. Having someone "ask" their partner to walk forward is a lot less common. It's rare to lead this and have the woman step forward like she means it.

I lead this movement sometimes with partners I am familiar with, because I know it plays with their minds. I can feel their mind saying "Wait, is this right?" I just love it when a woman walks right into me, unflinchingly.
 
I think a lot has to do with the mans lead. The best advice I've heard on leading while backward walking is to pretend that you are zipping up your jump-suit..it's that kind of boyant up surging body motion with each step... it works beautifully.
 
With regards to walking, I did find that watching video of myself (once I got done cringing) was very helpful in pinpointing where it was breaking down for me.
I know this is great advice. In fact, I have been thinking about having my son videotape us to help me with some other issues which belong in the ballroom thread. I just haven't worked up the courage to watch myself dance yet ...
 
My breakthrough with forward walks came when a random leader (at a social, no less) led me in a forward walk and when I hesitated he just kept encouraging me to "push him out of the way," and "be angry," and to force him. It was funny at the time, and it certainly doesn't speak to technique at all, but it did feel the shift and see just how different (and wonderful) it felt when I really went for it and walked forward with authority. It was an amazing, eye-opening moment. After that, things seemed to fall into place fairly easily.

I think about pushing into my partner (and here I do mean "pushing"--when I walk forward, I WALK FORWARD gosh darnit!! lol.), keeping my knees and thighs together, and keeping my hips relaxed. Between everything, walking forward ends up feeling verrrrry sexy and feminine and powerful. Awesome feeling. I wish more guys would lead me in forward walks.
 
My breakthrough with forward walks came when a random leader (at a social, no less) led me in a forward walk and when I hesitated he just kept encouraging me to "push him out of the way," and "be angry," and to force him. It was funny at the time, and it certainly doesn't speak to technique at all, but it did feel the shift and see just how different (and wonderful) it felt when I really went for it and walked forward with authority. It was an amazing, eye-opening moment. After that, things seemed to fall into place fairly easily.

I think about pushing into my partner (and here I do mean "pushing"--when I walk forward, I WALK FORWARD gosh darnit!! lol.), keeping my knees and thighs together, and keeping my hips relaxed. Between everything, walking forward ends up feeling verrrrry sexy and feminine and powerful. Awesome feeling. I wish more guys would lead me in forward walks.

Peaches, can you see my cabaceo?

When you think about it, the followers can only walk backward when their partners push them. After all, no one can walk backwards when they are leaning forwards. The reverse is also true. For the leaders to walk backwards, their partners have to push them.
 
This is very, very common. I think it's our brains thinking that we will step on our partner. Guys have to get over it pretty quickly when they learn to lead. Having someone "ask" their partner to walk forward is a lot less common. It's rare to lead this and have the woman step forward like she means it.

The heels on the shoe make a difference too because we get instructed so much in tango forward walking to keep our toe on the floor or our foot flat or whatever. Even if there's no mention, the natural tendency of a follower after learning to use her leg and foot a certain way fr all her other movements is to attempt to keep that toe down when walking forward too. Certainly tango instructors don't ENCOURAGE "heel leads" as in certain ballroom dances.

However, depending on the amount of arch and flexibility a woman has in her feet, it can be quite difficult to keep her toe down while stepping forward in a typical tango shoe. If she can't get her toe down, she is initially placing all her weight out in front of her on that tiny stiletto heel that holds her foot (and the rest of her) 4" off the floor on a pole and NOTHING ELSE!

If she were walking down the street in these shoes, she would most likely NOT walk with that much reach. (and how many tangueras actually wear 3-4" heels off the dance floor regularly? Of course, many ladies invest in these stilettos before they get asked to do much forward walking. They actually can HELP with backward walking.

So if you are informed you aren't reaching far enough, it may be that you need to determine whether you are letting the shoes create an issue. That's easy enough to find out... take them off. If you still have trouble when wearing lower heels or dance sneakers or such, then you have a larger technique issue with walking forward.

But if your forward walking improves noticeably when you have no heel on your shoe, then the height or instability of the shoe heels is a part of your problem and requires a different approach to fix that just reminders to reach or walk with more intention.

Yes, followers have to learn to get over their fear of walking right into their partner just as leaders did and they get to delay learning it quite a bit longer. But women in high heels have more issues to deal with in forward walking than the male leaders did.

By the way, I never found a single male teacher who was able to recognize this problem on their own. It simply doesn't occur to most of them. In fact, I had several FEMALE teachers who acted as though they'd never given this any thought before I asked how to deal with my inflexible low arches and the heel of the shoe getting in my way. Those particular female teachers all had those high arches that allow them to bend their foot almost into a semicircle when pointed.
 
Peaches, can you see my cabaceo?

When you think about it, the followers can only walk backward when their partners push them. After all, no one can walk backwards when they are leaning forwards. The reverse is also true. For the leaders to walk backwards, their partners have to push them.

Leaning, yes...

How often do leaders actually lean on their follower?

Yous statement in really only true of a posture where weight is shared and the people would fall over if the other was not there.

On the other hand, many tango styles and postures do not have any "lean" even though they have noticeable and consistent forward pressure or intention. It is completely possible to walk backwards with forward pressure without being pushed. Otherwise followers would not be able to practice on their own without sacrificing their basic technique.

I guarantee you after years of practicing my back walks and teaching it to other followers, that people CAN walk backwards properly maintaining their forward intention without someone there to move them.

Go find a slight incline and walk down it backwards with your body vertical rather than perpindicular to the angle of incline. You'll immediately feel what I mean.
 
Leaning, yes...

How often do leaders actually lean on their follower?

Yous statement in really only true of a posture where weight is shared and the people would fall over if the other was not there.

On the other hand, many tango styles and postures do not have any "lean" even though they have noticeable and consistent forward pressure or intention. It is completely possible to walk backwards with forward pressure without being pushed. Otherwise followers would not be able to practice on their own without sacrificing their basic technique.

I understand that there are various ways to dance. If you are dancing a style in which you lean into your partner, as opposed to appearing to lean, I think my statement is true. When I dance, the only way I can go backwards is if my partner propels me, as I do her when she is going backwards. The alternative, which happens more often than not, is that I un-lean enough to move backwards. When I have a partner who dances as Peaches describes it, we can maintain the connection undisturbed, which I enjoy.
 
followers arm in the way

Before I was sentenced to the reserve bench, I started with overturned ganchoes.

I tried the following ones:

1) after a voleo, still swinging the follower gently on her right leg, then turning her for 180° ccw, offering my left thigh to her left.
2) out of the mirror, left foot forward, then stepping with my right foot to the right side, and offering my right thigh to her right.

My problem was, where to put the arms?
 
I understand that there are various ways to dance. If you are dancing a style in which you lean into your partner, as opposed to appearing to lean, I think my statement is true. When I dance, the only way I can go backwards is if my partner propels me, as I do her when she is going backwards. The alternative, which happens more often than not, is that I un-lean enough to move backwards. When I have a partner who dances as Peaches describes it, we can maintain the connection undisturbed, which I enjoy.
I strongly disagree with pretty much everything here.

Regardless of the style danced, the partner moving forward does not propel the partner moving backward. Each partner moves themselves. I can walk backward just fine, without being pushed. Furthermore, moving backwards in no way means "un-leaning." If that is happening, it's poor technique to blame.
 

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