What makes you cringe in tango?

On the west coast while the metro area is a melting pot with most dancers who moved here from elsewhere, the African-American participation in social dancing (Tango, Salsa, Kizomba, Zouk, Bachata, Fusion, Blues) is extremely low. Among few people who are black in social dancing that I know or danced with (which will be almost all of them), almost all moved here from Africa. There may be three or four black followers in local tango that I am aware of and all moved here from some African country.
Sadly it's reflective of a lot of the social biases. In the same way that Asian men and black women are usually ranked last in online dating. As a visibly Asian man, I felt that a lot of times I get ignored by tango and salsa dancers until I burst out my fluent Spanish. Smaller rural cities where most of the crowd is white are the worst and you feel like you have to be twice as good to be considered an equal to a white person.
 
As followers are very dominantly women I have been focused that way, didn't think as much about men. With your post thought about it and I don't see many Asian men in Tango, but do see many Asian women. Someone I know (white guy) kept getting linked up with Asian ladies on dating sites (he was happy with that but had not explicitly expressed any preference), so I studied the issue a bit. The study agreed with you about the last ranking. Top rankings were white and black for men, and white and asian for women. For some dating sites asian women were more popular than white women. Hadn't thought of it, but your post helps me see that Tango is reflecting these rankings.

The Left Foot Right foot guys have a podcast where they talk about being an Asian man in Tango.
 
As followers are very dominantly women I have been focused that way, didn't think as much about men. With your post thought about it and I don't see many Asian men in Tango, but do see many Asian women.
I think the west coast is also interesting because there is also a lot of different Asian cultures within it. You very very rarely would see an Indian man dancing. Whereas more Filipino, Chinese, Japanese and Korean folks would be out there. This is super weird because in places like Silicon Valley there are tons of H1Bs but you’ll only see one or two South Asians in the scene. Even places like London that have such a high proportion of Indians vs other Asians barely has a few Indian men that dance.

But even in cities like Toronto where a lot of the salsa instructors were Filipino, you’d get comments like “they don’t understand the dance because they are not from Latin America”. Meanwhile the dude’s last name is Lopez FFS.
 
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As followers are very dominantly women I have been focused that way, didn't think as much about men. With your post thought about it and I don't see many Asian men in Tango, but do see many Asian women. Someone I know (white guy) kept getting linked up with Asian ladies on dating sites (he was happy with that but had not explicitly expressed any preference), so I studied the issue a bit. The study agreed with you about the last ranking. Top rankings were white and black for men, and white and asian for women. For some dating sites asian women were more popular than white women. Hadn't thought of it, but your post helps me see that Tango is reflecting these rankings.

The Left Foot Right foot guys have a podcast where they talk about being an Asian man in Tango.
Hello tango friends,


Thank you for opening up this important conversation about tango and race. I can only speak from my experience on the West Coast of Canada and the United States.


Over the years, I’ve noticed that many Asian dancers—especially followers—have had a strong presence in the community, while there used to be only a small number of Asian leaders. In the last few years, this seems to be changing, with more Asian men joining as leaders and developing very solid technique. Some of them bring backgrounds in martial arts, tai chi, meditation, and other embodied practices, which often translate into a refined sense of balance, connection, and body awareness. Their dancing feels influenced by philosophies that emphasize attunement, discipline, interconnectedness, and the integration of mind and body—qualities that enrich our tango communities.


Regarding other racialized groups, my personal experience is limited. In my community, I remember only two regular dancers of African descent. I enjoyed dancing with one of them—she brought warmth, joy, and a wonderful sense of presence to the floor, regardless of technical level. The other dancer was technically strong but eventually stopped attending. She felt her lack of invitations was due to racism. While that may have played a role—and we can never fully know the whole picture—some leaders also felt challenged by her interpersonal approach, which sometimes came across as dismissive or hierarchical. It made the dance feel less like a conversation. This shows how complex these dynamics can be: issues of race, personality, interpersonal style, and community culture can all intersect in ways that are difficult to untangle.


In short, while racism and exotification absolutely exist in tango—and deserve to be named—we also have to recognize that popularity on the dance floor is shaped by many factors: technique, warmth, attitude, social skills, community norms, and the relational nature of our art form. Every community is unique, and each story reveals only a small part of a much larger conversation.

On the other hand, I also witnessed moments of competitiveness—particularly between some Asian and European followers—that felt uncomfortable. At times I overheard comments about who greeted whom, who danced with whom, and who stole the boyfriend from whom, and criticisms exchanged quietly between dancers. These dynamics had less to do with culture or ethnicity and more to do with the social pressures of tango itself: anxiety about invitations, comparisons, and the desire to belong. Still, the way people spoke about one another could be unkind, and there were times when I simply stepped away because it didn’t feel compassionate or aligned with the spirit of the dance. That part of the community energy was difficult for me.
 
I think the west coast is also interesting because there is also a lot of different Asian cultures within it. You very very rarely would see an Indian man dancing. Whereas more Filipino, Chinese, Japanese and Korean folks would be out there. This is super weird because in places like Silicon Valley there are tons of H1Bs but you’ll only see one or two South Asians in the scene. Even places like London that have such a high proportion of Indians vs other Asians barely has a few Indian men that dance.
Actually there are more Indian men dancing salsa and tango in Silicon Valley. A few of the top leaders in both dances are Indians. Strtictly social dancing. Not competing or performing.

Also the Filipino men are well represented in both dance scenes and a few are among top dancers socially.
 
"1. Asking for discounts at milonga entrance. Organizing is neither easy nor cheap. If the event isn’t in your budget, find one that is. Being poor is fine, being cheap isn’t.

2. Bitching about everything: music, floor, bar, prices, ronda, level. Not everything is the organizer’s fault or responsibility. If it’s truly necessary, give constructive criticism in private. You don’t have to ruin everyone’s evening.

3. Verbal invitations. Unless the stars of this and every other galaxy align, verbal invitations are a massive cringe. Cabeceo exists for a reason.

4. Giving DJ your musical wishes and unsolicited advice. Even if you know the music better, leave the DJ alone, they have a job to do and your meddling won’t make it better.

5. Taking rejection personally. 99% of rejections are based on your dance. Your dance sucks, not you (assuming you’re fairly well groomed and mannered). Get over it, you’re an adult. It happens to everyone. Just go practice.

6. Followers inviting leaders through anything else but cabeceo. Ladies, I support equality. That means: use the cabeceo, hope for a yes but learn how to take a no. Manipulating, flirting, being all cute or- Pugliese forbid- aggressively pursuing a leader is unbecoming. Have more self respect. Do you really want a charity tanda?

7. Announcing events from your private life in milongas. There’s a time and place for everything and it’s rarely at a tango event. Oversharing is neither classy nor cute.

8. Any inappropriate behavior during tanda. You came to dance. Be extremely respectful and polite towards your partner. Don’t mistake tango chemistry for actual chemistry.

9. Birthday dance. 1 person having multiple partners - that they didn’t choose - switch quickly while the audience watches and cheers. Just no.

10. Correcting/ teaching your partner while dancing. The audacity and delulu of people who do this is beyond me.

What makes you cringe in social tango situations?"






I disagree with half and it doesn't make me cringe.

1) Maybe, if the hall is not filled up to capacity, let somebody come in at half price, or for free after peak time. This is practiced in several places, but usually is not advertised.

2) Somebody's bitching doesn't ruin my evening. Often causes me to laugh. I don't mind attendees expressing their opinion. I might agree. I might notice something I have missed.

3) I have nothing against verbal invitations. I am often delighted to be invited by way of pronouncing my name or a short sentence asking whether I'd like to dance. Cabeceo has many limitations of applicability that are well known.

4) Every DJ should accept small amount of music selections by dancers, but perhaps after checking the song. In long term, it may put him on correct path, to the benefit of the event. In short term, it may cheer up a few dancers.

5) With me, it is not "99% of rejections are based on your dance" - closer to 60%, but this depends on situation.

7) Short, clear, relevant announcements are ok. But, indeed, many announcements are delivered badly, often because of acoustics.

10) I have benefited much from verbal feedback and subtle instruction by partners. I couldn't get that from lessons. Small amount of discrete and qualified instruction is better than "just dance", for both partners.
 
Even places like London that have such a high proportion of Indians vs other Asians barely has a few Indian men that dance.

There are quite a few active South Asian dancers in London at the current time, I think roughly matching the city population breakdown. The scene is very cosmopolitan and I think the amount of ethnic bias in dance partner selection is on average low (people who don't like "foreigners" would mostly just bounce off milongas in the first place.)
 
I see a strong intellectual and academic bias in tango. So selection is based more on education and resources than on origin and skin color.

When I stroll through the shopping center in our rather disadvantaged neighborhood, I see rathery few people I would consider an asset to a milonga.
 
I see a strong intellectual and academic bias in tango. So selection is based more on education and resources..
Agreed. This also applies to Lindy Hop (apart from a few living fossils). And it also applies to Bachata Sensual. In contrast, the Salsa scene is supported by a large Latino community that can identify with this music through language and heritage. I am once again an exception, as I learned tango from immigrants who, in turn, had learned it from their parents, or had already danced socially. This group was very heterogeneous; it included German-Argentinians who had immigrated for economic reasons, as well as politically persecuted union members! They were only reconciled in the embrace on the dance floor; at the table, over Malbec and chivitos, it became very loud.
 
Agreed. This also applies to Lindy Hop (apart from a few living fossils). And it also applies to Bachata Sensual. In contrast, the Salsa scene is supported by a large Latino community that can identify with this music through language and heritage. I am once again an exception, as I learned tango from immigrants who, in turn, had learned it from their parents, or had already danced socially. This group was very heterogeneous; it included German-Argentinians who had immigrated for economic reasons, as well as politically persecuted union members! They were only reconciled in the embrace on the dance floor; at the table, over Malbec and chivitos, it became very loud.
This is scene specific in the US. I’d say in a place like Mountain View’s Alberto’s or San Francisco most of the salsa dancers still fall under either the second generation immigrants or wealthier professional types vs who ICE would target. Whereas in my slightly more rural town in Oregon a lot of the people showing up to the salsa scene are also house painters, arborists, farm workers that you wouldn’t necessarily see at the big city salsa gigs. I think cost is an issue, the salsa bar here is free until recently where they started charging $5 to get in, whereas in a lot of the big city events it’s normal for it to be $10 to $20 per entry.
 
I see a strong intellectual and academic bias in tango. So selection is based more on education and resources than on origin and skin color.
True, but not 100%. There are many with a STEM background - of many ethnicities. Religious background and culture also constrain participation. Wealth and costs, and of course time, are also factors in this western culture - and whether or not you need that money for other priorities in Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Learning AT here is not, usually**, a dance of the 'poor' where there are other financial demands and priorities.

**Usually! AT doesn't exclude people; people exclude people. That's AT in the region where we live, but we've also danced at great milongas in much needier areas.
 
Is your scene self-sustaining, or does it require a dedicated teacher couple or studios?
What are 'studios'? Community village halls and school assembly rooms. 'Studios' are for BR.

Teachers - yes. It all depends on your travel range from 25-150km. A few dedicated couples at a couple of locations (good for basics); visiting Argentinians at another (depends where you are on the learning path); one with occasional (good) workshops from more nomadic professionals, but people prepared to travel. Milongas from small community (~16-20) to larger (nice venue, good time of day, usually good music, not elitist), and then an occasional 'elitist' milonga for the younger set. One milonga and teacher nearby have recently retired; I read of another starting up. Festivals, etc, again related to your travel range.

I do look at it, as we're all aging, and wonder about the future - even something for us.

I don't think any scene can be self-sustaining without someone with a vision prepared to act. But are they good enough teachers, and sufficiently dedicated?
 
I don't think any scene can be self-sustaining without someone with a vision prepared to act..
Indeed.
What are 'studios'? Community village halls and school assembly rooms. 'Studios' are for BR.
Other way round! We use "dance school" for BR and "studio" for smaller private dance venues for tango, salsa and the like. Community halls and assembly rooms are a third animal, but an important one. I usally call them "the grey zone". (And sorry for the typo.)
 
Other way round! We use "dance school" for BR and "studio" for smaller private dance venues for tango, salsa and the like. Community halls and assembly rooms are a third animal, but an important one. I usally call them "the grey zone". (And sorry for the typo.)
Creeping americanisms I guess - but we steal from any language! I'd expect a 'dance school' (BR) to have a 'studio' (somewhere with a suitable floor snd mirrors + sound, video, etc), but we also have 'studios' nearby without 'dance schools' (legacy 'community' project to anyone with money to hire). 'Dance school' (other) might refer to a (childrens') dance group meeting in a community hall - but sometimes with portable mirrors, ballet bars, etc.

AT just gets a rough and ready floor, and maybe some chairs. We have a 'studio' at home with small floor, mirror wall, video, music etc for our practice. We just need to tidy away my wife's sewing/dressmaking equipment.
 

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