What Type Of LIVE BAND Do You Prefer.....

....if you want to go out dancing? Do you prefer a versatile band that plays LOTS of styles, or do you prefer a more specific style only, e.g., blues and swing ? I would imagine it may depend on the variety of each individual dancer's repertoire, cuz if you only know one or two dances you may not get much action from a variety band. A "variety" band, in my experience, is one that plays a LOT of west coast / east coast swing, some cha-cha, country two-step, a few Latin, and a couple of waltzes and line dances. Thanks.
 
Primarily I prefer that the band understand the styles, tempos, and song lengths appropropriate for the local dance community. This will vary a lot.

And I really like it when the flyer for a dance event with live music lets a dancer know what dances the music played will be geared to/appropriate for. Many times I see a flyer for live music for a "ballroom" event, and truly all the band plays is foxtrots and swings, some of them not even of the appropriate tempo for dancing. If you're going to play mostly one or two styles of dance, that could be fine, but please say so!

Personally I would prefer a good variety of ballroom, latin, and other dances - so for instance, waltz, foxtrot, east and west coast swing, hustle, cha cha, rumba, and possibly more (salsa, tango, Viennese waltz, quickstep, bolero, nightclub 2 setp, CW 2 step, etc) depending on the crowd.

Others prefer more focused events - just swing or latin or hustle or whatever. If there is a good number of local dancers that like that dance and a focused event, that can be great.

Also - if/when the band takes breaks, play recorded dance music in between. It helps keep the crowd dancing. You can also use recorded music to fill in some gaps in your repertoire, or to add variety.

Just some thoughts - thanks for asking!
 
Add a few things aside from the usual endless foxtrots, waltzes and swings - AT, tango, samba, salsa, polka, 2-step, etc. Not everyone will dance to all of those but a little variety is good IMO.

Do watch your tempos. There was a band at a local venue that played everything like automatic weapons fire. Most experienced ballroom people left after 30 minutes.
 
A lot of the answer here depends on venue. If the dance floor is small and especially if it's crowded the music should be limited to spot dances.

In a bigger venue you need to include progressive dances like waltz, foxtrot, p 2 step, polka etc.

Of course a country venue requires variety, assuming the floor is big enough. Even in a small venue a good country band will play ECS, WCS, cha cha, and NC2-step. Maybe Arizona 2-step where I live.

The reality is this: The large majority of bands have no clue how their music relates to the dances that can be done, so what you will get is live bands that by accident, not by plan, play music that can either be done with WCS or ECS. Latin bands will let you dance salsa, cha cha, and bachata.

The large majority of musicians know nothing about dance but they like to see lots of people on the dance floor. That means they play rock or funk to get the freestyle bar dancers on the floor. Country is the only bar music that requires musicians who have a basic understanding of dance.

In theory the best combination is a large venue with a variety band. In the Phoenix area that is very hard to come by.

Being a good variety dance band requires musicians that have the skills to switch styles and they have to understand dance. We rarely see that combination so most of us prefer DJ's. Live music is not the first choice of most dancers because today's bands just don't understand dance and the styles of music/dance they do are too one dimensional.
 
For me, I see the following failures of bands:
-- not playing music at the correct tempo. For example, a lot of bands play waltzes that I call "tweeners" at around 42 measures per minute. Too fast for a slow waltz and too slow for Viennese.
-- not playing a variety. A local dance instructor fancies himself a band leader, but he assembles non-dancer friends and they play mostly swing and foxtrot, seem to no nothing in 3/4 time.

One of the better bands locally is led by a non-dancer who undertook the effort to talk to ballroom dance instructors about how to play for dancers.

Here is a link to a guide written by someone who knows a bit about dancing and playing in a band:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041208181544/http://www.mrk-inc.com/users/fjacoby/ballrm0.pdf
 
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So far, THANKS MUCH to all who have written great, informative responses !! Our variety dance-band DOES have a leader who is a Zumba instructor, and is also a very aware person when it comes to all the dances and related songs, and does constant research concerning. I am the drummer, and I drum to a click-track, so we DO the proper tempos with consistency. Most of the info you guys / girls have given has validated what we are doing already. We DO have concerns about WHAT TYPE of dance-band gets MORE GIGS, those who are dedicated to blues/swing vs a band like us that does a huge variety.
 
Our variety dance-band DOES have a leader who is a Zumba instructor,

Zumba music has absolutely nothing to do with ballroom or partner dancing. That music is always the same tempo and style. Your leader, if he/she was really interested in dance music, should take a variety of group dance lessons. Until somebody in the band walks the walk they will rarely understand dance music.

and is also a very aware person when it comes to all the dances and related songs, and does constant research concerning. I am the drummer, and I drum to a click-track, so we DO the proper tempos with consistency.

Most of our local bands use a drum click-track to compensate for not knowing what tempo to play for a dance. The downfall of this method is that good dance music is far more involved than playing at a certain tempo. They don't understand the nuances and styles of drum beats.

Far too often one dimensional drummers will play the same basic style but change the tempos. That results in every dance style sounding the same -- such as all foxtrots sounding like ECS.

We have a country band that's trying to play dance music at a Casino. Usually fifteen minutes after the DJ finishes and the live band begins the place is devoid of people. Why you might ask? It's because the drummer obviously played in rock bands and doesn't know anything else. So, it results in Country songs that would usually be ECS or WCS having the un-danceable rhythm of AC/DC. Waltzs are way too fast because the drummer is playing fast metal rhythms and the cha-cha has the dance structure of Black Sabbath.

In the 40's bands used to understand dance because if they didn't nobody wanted them. Modern bands don't have a clue so we prefer DJs.
 
I am the drummer, and I drum to a click-track, so we DO the proper tempos with consistency.

I happen to know a top notch professional keyboard player. I asked him if a band can make good dance music when drummers play to click tracks. He laughed for a long time and told me numerous reasons why it doesn't work.

For one thing musicians can't play with breaks on a click track. It always has to be the same and it will be very predictable. There is no freedom for musicians to play to their audience.

Then he got more technical. He told me that syncopation becomes stilted and unnatural with click tracks. Yikes! That's a deal killer for dance music.

In conclusion, if your band is playing to click tracks you are a lousy dance band. Sorry to be so blunt about it, but if you don't agree, give us a link to your youtubes and this audience will decide.
 
I know very little about music theory, but as a dancer I maintain that the tempo must not change. The musicians are free to add embellishments to make it interesting, but the timing of the underlying rhythm to which I move my body must not change.

For more on that, see page 9 of the PDF I previously linked: http://web.archive.org/web/20041208181544/http://www.mrk-inc.com/users/fjacoby/ballrm0.pdf

If a click track helps the band do that, then I'm all for it. Seems to me that musicians should be able to make their music interesting yet maintain synchronization with a click track. There are more dimensions to music than timing.
 
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HEY !! That link you gave me IS great !! I am going to slowly study it , try to incorporate what u said into my playing / our songs, and sent it to our band leader. In defense of our "Zumba instructor" leader, she HAS constantly sought out dancer feedback, and researched song/tempo/dance relationships, for many years, BEFORE Zumba, for most dances (we need to get better at "Latin" and all the specific beats and feels, a lot of MY job, as drummer) and that's part of "why" our band does ok as a "dance band", especially a VARIETY band. We get good feedback all the time. The ONLY thing, as a VARIETY band, we do get some intra-dancer and dancer/band friction, when we don't play "enough" of some peoples' dances, but it's hard to please ALL with so many choices. We always honor dance requests, when we are able. Again, thanks for all the well-thought-out and informative responses!
 
Right now my favorite live bands play Western Swing. One of the three bands I've discovered around here had a drummer who pounded out a steady beat. Note the word pounded. Drumming in a western swing band is subtle, "more felt than heard." Something else that is characteristic is that what the drummer plays changes when someone is playing a "solo."
The place I go to has a swing dance crowd, but the songs being played include waltzes and a more "square" beat that works well for two step.
As far as "swing" goes a single or double rhythm "East Coast" works for that steady beat, too. I start putting triples into my swing when something in the band has that swing feel.
Lot of Country western people will cha cha to anything with any reference to anything south of the border or Caribbean sounding. ("He drinks tequilla, she talks dirty in Spanish" is an example.)
Kinda like Generalist wrote, there was a period there where I was listening to a band or two who were playing Bakersfield style (think Buck Owens and Dwight Yoakam), but their drummers were pounding out a beat that sounded like punk.

I can't speak for ballroom people, but I can tell you that there are swing dancers who like to hear breaks in the music.

Kudos to you for trying to learn how to be a better band for dancers.
 
What a great discussion, thank you Snapdancer and Larina in particular!
I plan, and dance at social dances for a group. Mostly hustle, a little cha cha and swing, done some light DJ’ing, and maintaining a fairly sophisticated database of area dance bands has proven a few things. We have over 100 hours of video from our events, which is irrefutable evidence of what drives dancers on and off the dancefloor. Our findings of 35 bands on this list, of which we will only go to 13:

A. there is no correlation between the bands talent and the dancers preference. Almost universally, it’s the playlist that’s the problem. Looking at the numbers, both our #1 and #2 lead singers control the playlist and fixed it so that the dance floor is completely abandoned while they play. (dancing resumes vigorously during their breaks when the DJ takes over, so we can rule out the venue, temperature, or attendees) So even though they are great singers, we will never see their bands again because their playlists ruin the night.

B. Another common failure is when the band decides to change a smash hit so that they can express their “creativity”. Screw that, it’s a waste of time. While technically possible, almost no band playing in the local bars can afford to do it. ***DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE A LOT OF MONEY*** The kind of talent to write into (or out of) songs new lyrics, chords, or to change the order can be bought and they tell me that it starts at $400 per hour. It is preposterous to think that band members making $35 a night and a free beer or two could possibly afford to hire that talent. So what inevitably happens is that they take a smash dance hit and speed it up, or slow it down, or extend the length………. and make it completely danceable. A far, far smarter strategy for most bands is to just use others “creativity”. I’ve been following this one for years when Morales made it a phenomenal hit for hustle dancing. A couple weeks ago, he declared that he’s ended the project with this masterpiece (on Youtube, look for "Teddy Pendergrass - the More I want (M&M 2016 mix John Morales") ***5 years of pretty intense talent to get to this*** Very few bands have the resources to change a song SUCCESSFULLY like this. So why waste your time.... just play it as in this remix version and the dance floor would be packed, it’s really that simple!

C. This goes for DJ’s and bands. Today, many of them will not bail out, not ever. If a song, or even an entire set has cleared the dancefloor, they stay the course. It’s suicide. The very instant that it becomes evident that the music is pissing off the dancers, a REAL pro will seamlessly fade into what works. No apologies, no comments, no facial expressions…….. just keep staring at your equipment as you morph into music that actually works. The dancers will love you.

D. Attitude problems - A telltale sign that we’ve seen is the shirt that says “I don’t take requests because I’m a DJ, I’m not a juke box”. In the last two years, only once did a band have a perfect playlist-rating. So good in fact that we asked them to never add or remove any songs. Naturally, they changed it substantially by adding rockabilly garbage that cleared the floor a few weeks later. They are on probation now, they risk losing us if they don’t switch back.

E. Insecurity, drugs, & logic problems – A shocking number of (failing) bands demand that non-danceable music be played during their brakes. We’ve interviewed a dozen bands about this destructive strategy. Excuses vary from “we want to make ourselves look better” to “the band really likes the urban thump music” to “the keyboard’s girlfriend is here”. IF there were any hope for a logical reason to clear the dancefloor during the breaks, we surely would have heard the same excuse more than once. We haven’t. The amount of energy that is sucked out of room when bad music is played during the breaks cannot be overstated. And yes, there have been times when I bribed them with $ to play good music during the breaks. That seems to work pretty well.

F. Bogus data. Many bands and event planners use the old "look, there are people on the floor, it MUST be good music". ***WRONG!*** You must look at the flow of dancers on and off the floor to know what the best tunes are. A group of dancers who are held hostage to a single dance floor is NOT a valid measuring stick. You have to see which songs have people literally running to the dance floor. It's easier to do than you think..... just set up a video camera in the corner and review it after the gig. Similarly, if a band has packed the floor and then suddenly the video picks up a mass exodus...... that's all you need to know about the song being bad.
 
While your musical taste is somewhat different from the average forumite here, I think you've touched on the universal truth. Which is that a dance band has to play to the crowd, whatever that crowd is.

Also commend you on using videotape for more in depth analysis later on. I've wanted to suggest that approach to studio owners who somehow never are able to see violations of dance floor etiquette.
 

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