Why Don't They Do It?

[Dancebug]

Hi,

I have not seen much fleckerl during dance competitions, even among pros. Why don't they do it? Is it just because it is a hard step to perfect?

 

[Katarzyna]

If you can't do it well, you shouldn't do it on a competition. If you see a top dancer doing it next to someone good, the person that's good looks really bad by comparison..

 

[Dancebug]

So my guess is right? My partner is insisting that we need to throw it in our routine....

 

[SDsalsaguy]

I've seen plenty of pro events where no one does a fleckerl at all. Better not to use it unless you know it will only help you!

 

[Kitty]

So my guess is right? My partner is insisting that we need to throw it in our routine....

sounds like my partner.. he is insistent too...

but I just don't want to embarass myself... the judges will know what it is SUPPOSED to look like and will compare us to that standard even if no one else is doing it...

 

[Dancebug]

Folks,

Keep talking. I am going to show this thread to my partner.

 

[Katarzyna]

It's something you should work on and practice, but don't do it in a competition until it really works... (by works I mean WORKS VERY WELL)

 

[SDsalsaguy]

(by works I mean WORKS VERY WELL)

Really? And here I'd thought you'd meant WORKS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WELL!

Shows what I know, huh?

:wink:

 

[Katarzyna]

(by works I mean WORKS VERY WELL)

Really? And here I'd thought you'd meant WORKS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WELL!

Shows what I know, huh?

:wink:

:lol:
Perhaps I didn't stress REALLYenough...

 

[madmaximus]

Indeed, it is difficult to hide the deficiencies of one's dancing in the Modern Division Viennese because it only has seven "official figures".
Simply put, footwork issues (or any problem, for that matter) become magnified because they tend to show up with alarming regularity while one is dancing it (despite one's heroic efforts).
Thus, Judges need only to look at a couple for a few bars before seeing the full extent of mastery (or lack thereof) of the dance.

The Fleckerl is in its own class in this difficult dance and is the worst of the lot--it is an especially demanding figure.
The amount of rotation given in the text per measure (one full rotation) is expected as the minimum of what you should do in competition.
It demands equisitely precise footplants in order to stay in an area of less than a 40x40 cm. square.
It requires good control of momentum to get in and out of.
And you have to do it without getting dizzy.


madmaximus

 

[liangjz]

So my guess is right? My partner is insisting that we need to throw it in our routine....

If you do a fleckerl, eyes will most likely be drawn to you, even if for only a moment.

If they don't like what they see, it'll work against you. Depending on the judge, it could be bad even if the fleckerl turns out to be "pretty good", but not quite right.

You can do all the fleckerling you want at social dances and get it out of a system. Vienese Waltz does get more interesting when you're trying many different moves. I just wouldn't do it at a comp unless you really think it'll give you an edge.

 

[yola]

:shock: you're making me curious. anyone has a clip of this movement?

 

[Katarzyna]

no clip.. but thats the move in the viennese waltz when a couple goes in the middle of the floor and starts rotating fast around each other..

 

[tbrennen]

It's something you should work on and practice, but don't do it in a competition until it really works... (by works I mean WORKS VERY WELL)

Of course, there are some judges who only mark you if you actually do some fleckerls. THAT is depressing.

The other reason for doing fleckerls is that they are a lot less tiring than the the other VW figures and that helps set you up for the Foxtrot.

 

[Joe]

I use Foxtrot to set me up for Quickstep.