Wired chacha move

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karel_evzen

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I have a complicated question. I'm not from an english speaking country and I want to ask about one chacha move, which name I don't know in English.
So first I'll try to describe the move.
Partners just somehow get together and walk arout each other. Thats all. They do nothing just walk. In czech the name is Káča and in english it means whipping-top, you know, the toy kids spin...
My question is, how the man (you can describe even both partners) break out of the move. We are arguing with my teacher. She says it should be:
(having my partner on my right, chacha starting with my right foot)
chacha: done normally
1: right foot slightly forward, weight on the foot
2: left foot backwards, weight on the foot
3: transfer my weight on the right foot

The thing is, that it is much easier to move my left foot forward on the 2.
My partner is making somewhat a haft turn, so we are both facing the same direction, making the same steps (enantiomorph, having on the count of two and three her outer foot back)

I would be thankful for any post, or for just the name of the move, if you can identify it. If you had a clip with the move, I would be very pleased.
 
Hmm... I did a couple walking moves in my solo, but I don't think that those are what you are describing. Interesting!;)
 
It does sound like your talking about either the Natural or Reverse Top.

(And yes its called a Forward/Backward Spot Turn in some American stlyles syllabi for the other posters here. Of course to international dancers a spot turn is very different....)
 
NielsenE said:
It does sound like your talking about either the Natural or Reverse Top.

(And yes its called a Forward/Backward Spot Turn in some American stlyles syllabi for the other posters here. Of course to international dancers a spot turn is very different....)
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I wonder if this is what my instructor was teaching me then. I just remember feeling so tired and not knowing why from only staying in one spot lol. But we did practice it a hundred times in a row though, so that might explain it lol! ;)
 
these names don't tell me anything, but thanks for the tips, I can search the net for the names you mentioned and see, if there's something about them, maybe you're right.
I'm just not sure if you understand me quite well, the main thing is, that both the man and the women just walk. Around each other. (Do you in the turns you've metioned also just walk around each other?) we do 3times chacha, 2thimes 1,2,3 and on the last 123 we brake out of the turn. We turn about 630° (that is not important) and after the brake out we stand side by side facing the same direction. The brake out that I'm confuesd about is described in my previous post. We do it in the close holding.
 
karel_evzen said:
these names don't tell me anything, but thanks for the tips, I can search the net for the names you mentioned and see, if there's something about them, maybe you're right.
I'm just not sure if you understand me quite well, the main thing is, that both the man and the women just walk. Around each other. (Do you in the turns you've metioned also just walk around each other?) we do 3times chacha, 2thimes 1,2,3 and on the last 123 we brake out of the turn. We turn about 630° (that is not important) and after the brake out we stand side by side facing the same direction. The brake out that I'm confuesd about is described in my previous post. We do it in the close holding.
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All I can think of is a spot turn (American style), as others have mentioned.
 
I don't think the poster was doing American style, so it might be confusing to him to use that expression. In International Latin, spot turn is a very different step.
It does seem that the poster is talking about the natural top or the reverse top. If they are turning to the right as they move, it's the natural top. If they are turning to the left, it's the reverse top. Since they end up with "having the girl on the right of the man" it seems like the natural top. In jive a somewhat similar step is called the whip, so that is where the poster may be getting the name of the step "whipping-top".
If I understand the question, I think the teacher is right. If the guy steps forward, he will end up slightly ahead of his girl. Stepping slightly back (in other words, he is faking a step) will leave him in the same location. His girl will spin out (three step turn to the right) and end up on a line slightly ahead of him, which is where she should be. I think the urge to step forward is because the guy is letting the momentum of the turn continue, but he should control that momentum and stop moving forward.
[I am so tempted to end with the disclaimer which usually drives me nuts in forums like these: "But of course I could be entirely wrong because I really don't know anything about this and I always confuse the names of the steps and I really don't know what the guy's footwork is."] :-)
 
I searched the web for the spot turn and this is definitely not the turn. If I wasn't clear in my previous posts, we do all the turn in the closed position. We just walk round each other like there was a pole between us we are wolking around. If you can imagine a mill, where the cows (or whatsoever) were walking in circles making central pole to turn, we do the same like we were the two cows having the central pole right between us. Wow, never thought latin would make me look like a cow.... :D
 
DancingJools said:
I don't think the poster was doing American style, so it might be confusing to him to use that expression. In International Latin, spot turn is a very different step.
It does seem that the poster is talking about the natural top or the reverse top. If they are turning to the right as they move, it's the natural top. If they are turning to the left, it's the reverse top. Since they end up with "having the girl on the right of the man" it seems like the natural top. In jive a somewhat similar step is called the whip, so that is where the poster may be getting the name of the step "whipping-top".
If I understand the question, I think the teacher is right. If the guy steps forward, he will end up slightly ahead of his girl. Stepping slightly back (in other words, he is faking a step) will leave him in the same location. His girl will spin out (three step turn to the right) and end up on a line slightly ahead of him, which is where she should be. I think the urge to step forward is because the guy is letting the momentum of the turn continue, but he should control that momentum and stop moving forward.
[I am so tempted to end with the disclaimer which usually drives me nuts in forums like these: "But of course I could be entirely wrong because I really don't know anything about this and I always confuse the names of the steps and I really don't know what the guy's footwork is."] :-)
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Well, thanks for your deep description. I am doing International Cha cha, so that explains the spot turn being absolutetly different turn. And you're right with the ending in one line, if I walk forward, I would end a little bit before the girl. That was why I didn't argue with my teacher too much, because ending in one line sure look much better... So you think the one, let's say countermovement, is all right? I think it's a little cheat, isn't it? If the countermovement is ok and should be there, then the mystery has been revealed.

Thanks again, that could be it, finally ;)
 
Dear Karel (or Evzen, whichever you prefer),

"kaca" is the Natural Top in Czech and "kaca vlevo" the Reverse Top.

hok
 
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