Dave was asking a rhetorical question (i.e. he's not actually saying he believes or advocates that position, but rather trying to make a point).
Do you like Piazzola?
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bordertangoman
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tHERe's a potted biography of Dave Bailey, sorry I mean Piazzolla here.
http://www.piazzolla.org/biography/biography-english.html
Actually he is advocating the opposite position, substaining that the Marios' one brings to an absurd (that no-one outside Argentina can be said to be dancing Argentine Tango)
bordertangoman
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I believe that is irony.
Yes, that is the name of his retorical figure.
My point is that Marios' position does not mean that no-one outside Argentina can be said to be dancing Argentine Tango.
We're getting right back into semantics again. I would rather just agree to disagree since this is very clearly something which we not all agree on. Some people feel very uncomfortable calling it Argentine Tango unless it is something very specific, thats why we end up with so many classifications in music and dance. Others, myself included, could really care less what its called.
Lets worry more about the pleasure in our own dances than about the sanctity of everyone elses.
Also is there anything else I might like if I like Piazzolla? I like things like Otros Aires and Gotan Project too, but I already have that experimental stuff and I am now looking for newer interpetations of more old fashioned recordings. I absolutely love Piazzolla's Zero Hour, picked up Hector del Curtos Eternal Tango and loved it, and two other things by Quintango and the Silencio Tango Orchestra which I liked a bit too. Any other suggestions or maybe I should ask this in a new post.
Lets worry more about the pleasure in our own dances than about the sanctity of everyone elses.
Also is there anything else I might like if I like Piazzolla? I like things like Otros Aires and Gotan Project too, but I already have that experimental stuff and I am now looking for newer interpetations of more old fashioned recordings. I absolutely love Piazzolla's Zero Hour, picked up Hector del Curtos Eternal Tango and loved it, and two other things by Quintango and the Silencio Tango Orchestra which I liked a bit too. Any other suggestions or maybe I should ask this in a new post.
I... highly... recommend Alejandro Drago to get a nice Piazzolla fix. He is brilliant as a violinist and composer. I had the honor of performing with him a few years ago, and I was truly blown away. Such a rare talent. This page has some of his music. Verano Porteño is a trip! http://www.alejandrodrago.com/audio.html
For newer interpretations of more old fashioned recordings... and if you like Quintango... I think you will love anything by Color Tango.
Dave Bailey
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I was doing a reducto whatsit to demonstrate the intense silliness of such an extreme position, yes.
There is someone, somewhere in the world, which is really interested to the argentine tango that is danced in argentine, maybe we have to call it argentine argentine tango?
Note:
I am using the same kind of reductio that you used before to demostrate that the position you are criticizing is not so silly and not even "extreme", but quite natural, and related to the proper meaning of the word "argentine".
If you have another definition for AT, it's up to you to explain and justify it. And in any case I don't think it will allow you to say that other definitions are silly.
bordertangoman
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tO paraphrase Don Henley
"Thanks for the tutorials and, no, you're not the first to bring this to my attention—and you're not the first to completely misinterpret the lyric and miss the metaphor. Believe me, I've danced enough tango in my time to know the music and what the proper nomenclature is. But the subject of this thread has little or nothing to do with alcoholic beverages. It's a musical/ity discussion. My only regret would be having to explain it in detail to you, which would defeat the purpose of using literary devices in songwriting and lower the discussion to some silly and irrelevant argument about whether its tango or not."
"Thanks for the tutorials and, no, you're not the first to bring this to my attention—and you're not the first to completely misinterpret the lyric and miss the metaphor. Believe me, I've danced enough tango in my time to know the music and what the proper nomenclature is. But the subject of this thread has little or nothing to do with alcoholic beverages. It's a musical/ity discussion. My only regret would be having to explain it in detail to you, which would defeat the purpose of using literary devices in songwriting and lower the discussion to some silly and irrelevant argument about whether its tango or not."
Is Nuevo Tango danced in Argentina? What about Stage Tango?
newbie
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It is. "Loca milonga" on Wednesdays comes to mind.
Of course Stage Tango is danced in Argentina, you can call it AST: Argentine Stage Tango, and I'm sure nobody would disagree.
I don't know what do you mean exactly by "Nuevo", but I think that probably there is no reason to call it differently than Argentine Tango. It depends on the definition that you use.
Mario7
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Could we call 'Nuevo' (colgadas, ganchos, underarm turns, spot dancing, etc. etc.) ..ah...'Stage Tango'...huh? please? please?
bordertangoman
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Could we call 'Nuevo' (colgadas, ganchos, underarm turns, spot dancing, etc. etc.) ..ah...'Stage Tango'...huh? please? please?
not on your nelly; stage tango is rehearsed; nuevo is lead.
dont know what spot dancing is though; can you enlighten me?