This is something I look/feel for in my partners when deciding what comes next. often, I will notice too late the first time. But once I know she knows how to do it, and does do it... It enables things.
how to do enrosque ( for a man)
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This is something I look/feel for in my partners when deciding what comes next. often, I will notice too late the first time. But once I know she knows how to do it, and does do it... It enables things.
I'm now suspecting that I might not know what you mean by "stick the axis". Could you explain what it means to you?
For me, it means getting my hips, shoulders and head (3 main centers of mass for humans) directly lined up over my point of contact with the floor. If one of those is out of line even a tiny bit, turning movements get wobbly.
For that CW giro it's even more complicated than that, because other things are also moving in various directions.
To me, one of the things that identifies a better dancer, especially with a style like apilado, is how well defined my partner's axis is. I think it's no coincidence that someone like Laure Haile, who was dance director for Arthur Murray studios in the 50s, and documented "Western Swing" addressed the question of simply taking a step. Many of these things relate to most partner dances.
So, my partner and I take a step. If she establishes her "axis," that is, a clear line between her grounded foot on the floor, and her "center," and I can feel that in her body, and there is no momentum there, I know she is available to move in any direction. Or, she will very likely not move off that spot unless I lead further movement where there is no rotation involved.
Both partners, I think, cooperate to make things work. I think there is always more or less "wobble" in that a vertical axis through through the body won't be 100% vertical 100% of the time as we rotate. The more accomplished dancers understand that, and compensate for each other. (Course the better they are, the less they have to compensate!)
Hope that makes it more clear.
So, my partner and I take a step. If she establishes her "axis," that is, a clear line between her grounded foot on the floor, and her "center," and I can feel that in her body, and there is no momentum there, I know she is available to move in any direction. Or, she will very likely not move off that spot unless I lead further movement where there is no rotation involved.
Both partners, I think, cooperate to make things work. I think there is always more or less "wobble" in that a vertical axis through through the body won't be 100% vertical 100% of the time as we rotate. The more accomplished dancers understand that, and compensate for each other. (Course the better they are, the less they have to compensate!)
Hope that makes it more clear.
Quite true, regarding my partner's axis. I want her to let me feel her axis, physically, and I try to do the same for her. This applies especially to apilado.
In the context of enrosques, (open embrace, leader revolving on a spot) I think it's more about the leaders axis being independently perfect. Disclaimer: I don't do enrosques.
Yes, thank you.
Also, Thanks to AndaBien (although it turns out I had guessed right about what you meant).
In terms of the giro in open embrace, if the woman is upright, perfectly vertical when she takes a step, she will carry momentum through the turn. This is because when the body is perfectly vertical, the stepping foot will always be in front of the body. When the weight transfers, the momentum carries the body past the stepping foot.
If you can imagine that these are legs in sequence...
| > \ > | > /
... then you can see why the woman standing perfectly vertical can help during the man's enrosque by helping lead the man around his pivot, but only as long as she's perfectly vertical.
If you can imagine that these are legs in sequence...
| > \ > | > /
... then you can see why the woman standing perfectly vertical can help during the man's enrosque by helping lead the man around his pivot, but only as long as she's perfectly vertical.
bordertangoman
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I do axis awareness exercises; essentially akin to calesitas; and both lead and follow take turns; its a good way to improve balance whilst pivoting on one foot and to be aware of where your partner's axis is;
In a practica one could extend this to letting the follower move you round while you practice your enrosques; ie moving your free leg into a coil in front or behind the standing leg.
For me, the bigger issue is where she steps, and not so much how vertical she is. Basically, she needs to step on the circle around the leader (where the leader is the center of the circle. If she steps outside of the circle, she pulls the leader, and when stepping inside the circle, she pushes the leader. For whatever reason, when I pivot (without doing an enrosque), I (generally speaking) know how to compensate for any minor discrepancies, but I'm not at the level where I can compensate when pivoting while doing an enrosque.
Maybe some day.
opendoor
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You´ll never be !
I think it cannot be controlled at all, as soon as you have started pivoting. All the same with soltadas, the follower must already have received all informations when you let her go. The degree of your torsion holds all the informations she will need for her circle. So you only need some dissociation and balancing capabilities.
While pivoting (with or without enrosque or planeo) you find yourself in a wormhole.
tangobro
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Diego Blanco & Ana Padron. Their live lessons are good also. I often see them at local milongas, dancing with a variety of people, so they know what works in the milonga.
tangomonkey
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For me, the bigger issue is where she steps, and not so much how vertical she is. Basically, she needs to step on the circle around the leader (where the leader is the center of the circle. If she steps outside of the circle, she pulls the leader, and when stepping inside the circle, she pushes the leader. For whatever reason, when I pivot (without doing an enrosque), I (generally speaking) know how to compensate for any minor discrepancies, but I'm not at the level where I can compensate when pivoting while doing an enrosque.
Maybe some day.
Ya, me too. It's always seems to be a body shape issue with me. I can dance with my wife and lead just about anything I want and we just flow. I still have trouble leading some ladies in some "moves", enrosque is one of them. You've said you are usually the biggest guy in the room. Me too (6'2, 220lbs). I've spent so many hours dancing with my wife (5'2", 98lbs) I really have to adjust almost everything I lead when dancing with ladies who are built differently than her. That's just about everyone else...
bordertangoman
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getting into the panto mood..
Does anyone know where the Dislike button is?You´ll never be !
When I was young and in the Army (running 2 -4 miles a day, along with 40 - 50 pushups and situps a day), I weighed 235lbs.