Allright then, ganchos....

Zoopsia59 said:
er... what?

You mean like a secret handshake move? "When I do this with my hand, it means you do that with your foot" ?

In other words, something you have to learn the "correct" response for rather than simply following based on the usual body mechanics?
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Yes, that is more or less correct. Basically, if the leader lifts your right hand up with his left hand, then your free foot is supposed to move up accordingly. Similarly he can move your free foot left and right in similar fashion. I mentioned this technique in The Pasada thread a while back.
http://www.dance-forums.com/showthread.php?t=35409

BTW, I was told this is very "natural" for the follower.

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Funny you ahould mention this....
Steve Pastor said:
For what it's worth you can read Alberto Paz's definition of gancho here
http://books.google.com/books?id=uy...=1&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=gancho&f=false
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....because my thought is that though all of the wraps (I'll call them that b/c they all are not ganchos, enganches, etc) are not traditionally "led", they all do result as a/the natural float of the movement. This, of course, by definition, is what gancho is, as Zoops has mentioned.

And speaking of Zoops......... uh, what's up with this...... :( .....
Zoopsia59 said:
I want to dance with everyone on DF!
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Zoopsia59 said:
er... what?

You mean like a secret handshake move? "When I do this with my hand, it means you do that with your foot" ?

In other words, something you have to learn the "correct" response for rather than simply following based on the usual body mechanics?
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mm, women as puppets, mind bogggles :;)
 
dchester said:
Yes, that is more or less correct. Basically, if the leader lifts your right hand up with his left hand, then your free foot is supposed to move up accordingly. Similarly he can move your free foot left and right in similar fashion. I mentioned this technique in The Pasada thread a while back.http://www.dance-forums.com/showthread.php?t=35409

BTW, I was told this is very "natural" for the follower.

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I've seen this taught as well. I think it's a ridiculous way to lead. Not only is it unnecessary, but it gives you water pump arm. :rocker:
 
Nathan said:
I've seen this taught as well. I think it's a ridiculous way to lead. Not only is it unnecessary, but it gives you water pump arm. :rocker:
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One aspect of pretty much any art, is that different people will like different things. If you ask Leonardo da Vinci, Claude Monet, and Pablo Picasso how to paint a landscape, you will get very different results. What's necessary has very little to do with artistic expression. It's more about feelings and emotions, and we all are quite different there.
 
dchester said:
One aspect of pretty much any art, is that different people will like different things. If you ask Leonardo da Vinci, Claude Monet, and Pablo Picasso how to paint a landscape, you will get very different results. What's necessary has very little to do with artistic expression. It's more about feelings and emotions, and we all are quite different there.
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I completely agree, but within the somewhat narrower scope of tango, elegance is viewed by most to be one of the defining virtues of the dance. I may be wrong, but I think that adding unnecessary complications would be considered inelegant, and thus counter to the spirit of tango.
 
Nathan said:
I completely agree, but within the somewhat narrower scope of tango, elegance is viewed by most to be one of the defining virtues of the dance. I may be wrong, but I think that adding unnecessary complications would be considered inelegant, and thus counter to the spirit of tango.
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I can't say that you're wrong, just that it's not how I view it. For example, Milonguero style is not not elegant at all (IMO), but it has the fewest "complications" (if I'm understanding what you meant), of any style. In contrast, Villa Urquiza style does have an emphasis on elegance, which is why (IMO) they add "style elements" or "complications" to give it more flair. Not everyone will like all the extras that some people will add to their walk or turns to make it more elegant, but I like some of them. Of course ganchos are not commonly done in VU style, so this example goes a bit away from the OP, but the point still remains.

To be honest, I'm not really into the mantra that says one should only lead with their chest. I think one should use whatever they can to help make the lead both clear and comfortable/enjoyable to the follower. If the lead is clear, and is comfortable, what difference does it make whether some hand or arm action was used, or whether some added "complications" were used. However, it's also true that what's clear and comfortable, is not the same for every follower. I try to learn a many different techniques as possible, and then try to figure out which techniques to use with which follower. Maybe some day I'll get there, but whether I do or not, I'm enjoying the journey.
 
dchester said:
To be honest, I'm not really into the mantra that says one should only lead with their chest. I think one should use whatever they can to help make the lead both clear and comfortable/enjoyable to the follower. If the lead is clear, and is comfortable, what difference does it make whether some hand or arm action was used, or whether some added "complications" were used. However, it's also true that what's clear and comfortable, is not the same for every follower. I try to learn a many different techniques as possible, and then try to figure out which techniques to use with which follower. Maybe some day I'll get there, but whether I do or not, I'm enjoying the journey.
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Of course, in a real life situation, you use whatever you have to use in order to make the dance work. :)
 
dchester said:
One aspect of pretty much any art, is that different people will like different things. If you ask Leonardo da Vinci, Claude Monet, and Pablo Picasso how to paint a landscape, you will get very different results. What's necessary has very little to do with artistic expression. It's more about feelings and emotions, and we all are quite different there.
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Ugly is ugly, no matter how open minded. You have all these artistic movements; within all of them, there are great artists and ***** ones, who shouldn't be defended on the grounds of it being a different style.
 
milongadicto said:
Ugly is ugly, no matter how open minded. You have all these artistic movements; within all of them, there are great artists and ***** ones, who shouldn't be defended on the grounds of it being a different style.
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Yeah and there are snobs who try to convince themselves that their opinion of great and ugly is worth more than any one else's. It doesn't change the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
Sorry man, that's still politically correct BS. If that were the case, you would just call everything beautiful, just not in the point of view of everyone. You can't make progress by making excuses for bad dancing.
 
milongadicto said:
Sorry man, that's still politically correct BS. If that were the case, you would just call everything beautiful, just not in the point of view of everyone. You can't make progress by making excuses for bad dancing.
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I'm not making any excuses for dancing that I think is bad. The issue is that a lot of people have different ideas on what is good or bad. You may think the way those ganchos were led is ugly, while others think it's great. Just like some people think Picasso's paintings are ugly and find Monet to be boring.
 
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