Argentine tango posture

If it is truly an illusion then she should be able to walk backwards - without a partner in front of her - with that amount of forward lean, which I don't think is possible.
I'd be willing to "believe" if I could watch her do that.

Both of you are keeping your own balance above the balls of the feet.
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Take a piece of paper and use it as a straight edge to see how far in front of their feet the man and woman's torsos are. The man could probably continue "walk/falling" forward, but do you really think she could continue walking backwards?
Both of you are keeping your own balance above the balls of the feet.
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You can add Robert Hauk to your list of people who are now professing this "illusion".

My assessment of it is that for lord only knows what reason, this is the new paradigm for want of another way of expressing what is going on. And believe me, this is not what they were saying 5 years ago. But, maybe the laws of physics have been amended. OK. Not likely. I prefer change of vocabulary.

I can accept most of this for a milder, more upright form of close embrace, but not what is pictured here.
 
Steve Pastor said:
If it is truly an illusion then she should be able to walk backwards - without a partner in front of her - with that amount of forward lean, which I don't think is possible.
I'd be willing to "believe" if I could watch her do that.


Take a piece of paper and use it as a straight edge to see how far in front of their feet the man and woman's torsos are. The man could probably continue "walk/falling" forward, but do you really think she could continue walking backwards?

You can add Robert Hauk to your list of people who are now professing this "illusion".

My assessment of it is that for lord only knows what reason, this is the new paradigm for want of another way of expressing what is going on. And believe me, this is not what they were saying 5 years ago. But, maybe the laws of physics have been amended. OK. Not likely. I prefer change of vocabulary.

I can accept most of this for a milder, more upright form of close embrace, but not what is pictured here.
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I believe Robert may be using something a bit more upright these days. At least he was when we were there and had lessons a few months ago. He's been working on some stuff with Alicia Pons for the last couple of years.
 
As I pointed out to my new to tango partner, the woman should move her leg from the hip when "walking" backwards, rather than the more normal from the knee first then from the hip movement. This ensures that the knee begins moving backwards when the leg begins to move. The more upright your posture the more improtant this is. This isn't exactly "posture", but more "how you walk". Is it natural? Not really. But then there is little natural about walking backwards.
And BTW, this exact same "move the leg from the hip" advice can be found in many older dance books.
 
Steve Pastor said:
If it is truly an illusion then she should be able to walk backwards - without a partner in front of her - with that amount of forward lean, which I don't think is possible.
I'd be willing to "believe" if I could watch her do that.


Take a piece of paper and use it as a straight edge to see how far in front of their feet the man and woman's torsos are. The man could probably continue "walk/falling" forward, but do you really think she could continue walking backwards?

You can add Robert Hauk to your list of people who are now professing this "illusion".

My assessment of it is that for lord only knows what reason, this is the new paradigm for want of another way of expressing what is going on. And believe me, this is not what they were saying 5 years ago. But, maybe the laws of physics have been amended. OK. Not likely. I prefer change of vocabulary.

I can accept most of this for a milder, more upright form of close embrace, but not what is pictured here.
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Steve:

I respect your passion, and thank you for the scientific analysis. However, I put that picture there to illustrate how it should look like and the inherent beauty and elegance of AT.

As I said before, you're entitled to disagree. That's cool.
 
Ampster said:
You're entitled to disagree.

They are actually moving, and she's walking backwards. She's in the middle of the stride shifting from one foot to the other.
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I have to admit, I thought the same as Steve when I saw that pic, but I was too scared to say it...

Basically, are you saying that - from that point in that picture - if the leader suddenly disappeared, she wouldn't fall over?
 
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Hi Ampster, may be, Sabrina and Rubén Veliz, you know, they danced for the dutch royals (Carel played bandonéon):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj-kSeqoYwg

I had my first workshop on Cogadas with Sabrina and Rubén two years ago. They spent a lot of attention to the body statics. If you have the opportunity to work with them: do it.

Posted another version at the Video section
 
bordertangoman said:
were you disagreeing with me? the exercise works both for milonguero and close embrace; you need to find the pivot point around which to move.
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No, I wasn't referring to your post specifically, just the notion about dancing like the couple in the photo. Sure, it's possible to dance with that much "angle," but the follower still needs to be responsive going backward, which IME is difficult to find.
 
I couldn't be sure where both of the feet were in the picture, so I adjusted the contrast. This made it fairly clear that they are sharing weight, and not each on their own axis.
 

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dchester said:
I couldn't be sure where both of the feet were in the picture, so I adjusted the contrast. This made it fairly clear that they are sharing weight, and not each on their own axis.
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Nice work.

Yes, it's difficult to see how she can be on her axis there. The leader might be - just - on his axis, but even then it looks dubious.
 
OK, I give up! :headwall: They are in motion and that's the frame they got caught in.

I put that picture in there because it was of the most beautiful milonguero poses I've seen by far. I didn't expect anyone to lose sight of the message of the OP and just transfix and over-analyze the picture.

My mistake for choosing that image. :roll: I'll choose a less prettier one next time.
 
Hi Ampster, sorry I did not want to pluck your post to pieces: Its only fun to analyze and speculate about all that stuff: its our hobby, isn´t it?

with regards
OD
 
Ampster said:
OK, I give up! :headwall: They are in motion and that's the frame they got caught in.

I put that picture in there because it was of the most beautiful milonguero poses I've seen by far. I didn't expect anyone to lose sight of the message of the OP and just transfix and over-analyze the picture.

My mistake for choosing that image. :roll: I'll choose a less prettier one next time.
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Well I thought the picture was so good that it deserved lots of attention. Personally, I felt it had exactly the right amount of analysis.

Maybe now, we can go back and talk about the OP. Wasn't it about Judo or something? I may have to take another look at the picture.

:razz:
 
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