At the end of the pandemic, maybe a new start?

It might be just this bubble im dancing in, but to me it seems that tango in general is back to normal. I attended a very normal festival this weekend, and my fb is full of friends traveling and posting pictures from events. If people are worried about something, it is not the pandemic but inflation.
Yes, the area works for me too, practically every month I visit a new event in another city. It's more the sentiment that it's not all right at the base. There are no beginners from the beginner classesin the milonga, there are female leaders complaining that there are no skilled male leaders, organizers are in a bad mood, more like that sentiment.
 
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I have to say, there are a few leaders here who started tango a bit before the pandemic, who are coming along nicely.
It's not real, it's more of an atmosphere.
I go to a milonga every week, where since the pandemic there tend to be more men than women in the first one or two hours. For me that's great, I can sit and watch, cutting off some charity tandas also. But it seems to be missing the faster starting women from the classes who are attractive to less experienced men.
 
I'd agree that inflation is likely to be the biggest concern for now.
If it's "only" about money, then Tango has disproportionately good prospects, because it can also be done at very low costs, even under very bad conditions, Argentina sends its regards.
Tango music, for example, is now available almost free of charge, also organized into tandas and cortinas. And commercial dance teachers are useful for recruiting large numbers of new people for dancing, but for a while dispensable in a crisis.

But "inflation" here means that we indirectly have to pay back what we borrowed during the pandemic and before (and in (G)B because of Brexit). Naturally, that isn't much fun.
 
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If it's "only" about money, then Tango has disproportionately good prospects, because it can also be done at very low costs, even under very bad conditions, Argentina sends its regards.
Yes, I realised that. Danced through pandemic because we had the space and facilities at home (which maybe says something about the demographic of western AT dancers). The weather, and probably someone's regulations, here aren't favourable to outside milongas in the park (or maybe the likely participants can't dress appropriately). That could be cheap-ish, but someone's got to organise it and provide the music. I don't think they should do it at a loss.

Maybe should also be looking at, say, the impact on ballroom, jive, WCS, samba, etc.

Also, when money is short and inflation leaps ahead, there are other priorities.
 
If it's "only" about money, then Tango has disproportionately good prospects, because it can also be done at very low costs, even under very bad conditions, Argentina sends its regards.
Tango music, for example, is now available almost free of charge, also organized into tandas and cortinas. And commercial dance teachers are useful for recruiting large numbers of new people for dancing, but for a while dispensable in a crisis.

But "inflation" here means that we indirectly have to pay back what we borrowed during the pandemic and before (and in (G)B because of Brexit). Naturally, that isn't much fun.
It depends where you live. Costs are not universally low, especially in large, metropolitan areas. Tango music of good quality is certainly not free, DJs spend real money putting together a sufficiently large library of high-quality transfers. Also, in some places, the venue has to pay annual royalties to the record companies (believe it's ASCAP in the US).
 
It depends where you live. Costs are not universally low, especially in large, metropolitan areas. Tango music of good quality is certainly not free, DJs spend real money putting together a sufficiently large library of high-quality transfers. Also, in some places, the venue has to pay annual royalties to the record companies (believe it's ASCAP in the US).
With the given cost structure - which other pastime could be implemented more cheaply?

But I also don't assume professional, at least commercial, organizers. There is another way. For example, a DJ isn't really required, a "Spotify" playlist would suffice for many purposes.

I would rather expect problems in the human and interpersonal area. Following a downward trend would be painful.
 
But I also don't assume professional, at least commercial, organizers. There is another way. For example, a DJ isn't really required, a "Spotify" playlist would suffice for many purposes.
Hmm. That's nice for a casual outdoor event but not for a regular weekly milonga indoors. Especially if it were an event with a cover charge. Lots of other pastimes are cheaper. Soccer all you need is a ball. Same for football. Baseball you need bats and gloves as well as a ball. Tennis you need a net and a few balls. Yoga, just a mat.
 
Hmm. That's nice for a casual outdoor event but not for a regular weekly milonga indoors. Especially if it were an event with a cover charge. Lots of other pastimes are cheaper. Soccer all you need is a ball. Same for football. Baseball you need bats and gloves as well as a ball. Tennis you need a net and a few balls. Yoga, just a mat.

Well, we don't really need a wooden floor or special shoes to dance tango either. Socks + random hard smooth floor will do in a pinch and I've tangoed barefoot on grass on several occasions. Everything can be done informally and cheaply in less than perfect conditions, if cost is a barrier to entry for people.
 
Well, we don't really need a wooden floor or special shoes to dance tango either. Socks + random hard smooth floor will do in a pinch and I've tangoed barefoot on grass on several occasions. Everything can be done informally and cheaply in less than perfect conditions, if cost is a barrier to entry for people.
Yeah, I know you don't need a hardwood floor but I've danced on concrete (awful), macadam (awful), and outdoor wooden planks (risky because of the cracks) and none of them are favorable to dancing well or smoothly. Sure, you can do it, you can dance in ocean surf if you like.
 
Yeah, I know you don't need a hardwood floor but I've danced on concrete (awful), macadam (awful), and outdoor wooden planks (risky because of the cracks) and none of them are favorable to dancing well or smoothly. Sure, you can do it, you can dance in ocean surf if you like.
I was currently reading a report that sports clubs that operate halls or even swimming pools are practically done without municipal help. But even to play football according to football rules you need a quite expensive infrastructure.

At least in a medium-sized city, it still seems pretty easy to me for Tango. Someone from the community owns or has access to a sports room, an exhibition or therapy room, often with good flooring. The required sound system costs next to nothing, several hours of milonga playlists, structured in tandas and cortinas, are available on Spotify and even on YouTube. And not a few people have excessive tango collections on their laptops. And so it restarts again.
 
I was currently reading a report that sports clubs that operate halls or even swimming pools are practically done without municipal help. But even to play football according to football rules you need a quite expensive infrastructure.

At least in a medium-sized city, it still seems pretty easy to me for Tango. Someone from the community owns or has access to a sports room, an exhibition or therapy room, often with good flooring. The required sound system costs next to nothing, several hours of milonga playlists, structured in tandas and cortinas, are available on Spotify and even on YouTube. And not a few people have excessive tango collections on their laptops. And so it restarts again.
I like your rose-tinted glasses!

Sports hall: can be expensive to hire. Often has a strict closing time (usually 10pm where I live). Often has a shoes code e.g. no outdoor shoes, non-marking soles only and definitely no high heels! A lot of competition from other groups.

Hidden costs: obviously organisers’ time! But also advertising, insurance (venues often require organisers to have their own), heating and lighting - sometimes there’s a meter and sometimes there’s an additional fee, sound equipment and storage- a cheap system won’t last very long and an expensive system can’t just sit in someone’s car all week. Stationery: most venues require you to have a sign-in sheet for fire safety. A lock box for money. These days you also need to bring disinfectant wipes and hand sanitizer.

You can’t run a milonga without either a bar or a refreshments table. A practica can be run without either but it’s best to have some water on hand.

I also think that if tango can’t sustain itself then it’s going to die out. So it’s better to have a few for-profit organisers than to have many hobbyists. Burn-out is very high among voluntary organisers.
 
At least in a medium-sized city, it still seems pretty easy to me for Tango. Someone from the community owns or has access to a sports room, an exhibition or therapy room, often with good flooring. The required sound system costs next to nothing, several hours of milonga playlists, structured in tandas and cortinas, are available on Spotify and even on YouTube. And not a few people have excessive tango collections on their laptops. And so it restarts again.
Possibly, IF you can find a room and if they will rent it to you at a reasonable price. A basketball court would be possible, they usually have great wooden floors. (I think Sunderland is held in a gym, in fact.) So, it's technically possible. A couple of local milongas have used what look like old wedding halls. These have hardwood floors, ample space, and often a stage and a sound system (usually mediocre). But such places are not always easily available, especially at an affordable price. So, as they say, it depends.
 

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