Ballroom style

[Zoopsia59]

If I were to summarize for myself the last few pages, I'd come up with something like this. At some point in the past, foxtrot and tango origins converge. We're not sure when and maybe not where. At some point after that, foxtrot began to evolve in one direction and tango in another. At some point after that Tango Argentino and "ballroom" tango split off again. All along the way, all three dances were influenced by other dances and traditions. Somewhere in there, people wrote stuff down, but not everybody likes what got written down. :lol::lol:

A brief history of Dance and Dance Discussion Forums:

At some point in time, people began dancing. Eventually they danced together... or maybe they did that first and then danced solo. Historians disagree on that. Someone noticed that not everyone danced the same. Someone came up with a term to distinguish people who moved well from those who were actually having seizures. Eventually they called it "dancing" but that was much later after English was invented. Prior to that they called it something else.

Later it was observed that there were commonalities in the way people moved when certain sticks were hit together, vs stones. That was the beginning of arguing over styles. Those who disagreed on the way to move had the sticks and stones thrown at them.

Eventually people decided that blood was a hazard on the dance floor so they took their arguments to the cave walls, which was more civilized. But it was hard to edit an entry, so the internet was invented.

Voila... here we are.

 

[pygmalion]

a brief history of dance and dance discussion forums:

At some point in time, people began dancing. Eventually they danced together... Or maybe they did that first and then danced solo. Historians disagree on that. Someone noticed that not everyone danced the same. Someone came up with a term to distinguish people who moved well from those who were actually having seizures. Eventually they called it "dancing" but that was much later after english was invented. Prior to that they called it something else.

Later it was observed that there were commonalities in the way people moved when certain sticks were hit together, vs stones. That was the beginning of arguing over styles. Those who disagreed on the way to move had the sticks and stones thrown at them.

Eventually people decided that blood was a hazard on the dance floor so they took their arguments to the cave walls, which was more civilized. But it was hard to edit an entry, so the internet was invented.

Voila... Here we are.

rotfl!!!

 

[dchester]

Later it was observed that there were commonalities in the way people moved when certain sticks were hit together, vs stones. That was the beginning of arguing over styles. Those who disagreed on the way to move had the sticks and stones thrown at them.

 

[tangotime]

I'm pretty sure UK knows the difference between ballroom tango and AT. I also didn't see anything in his posts on this thread to indicate he thinks the marketed form of AT is ballroom... I believe he is saying that the marketed form of AT is stage/ fantasia AT. That doesn't mean it's ballroom AT.

What he( and others) may not know is.. there are 3 dominant styles. T/Arg... Intern.style and American style .

 

[UKDancer]

What he( and others) may not know is.. there are 3 dominant styles. T/Arg... Intern.style and American style .

He does, but he remains puzzled how a 30s dance ('Slicker) is a foreunner to one (Foxtrot) that had its first outing two decades before and was standardised in the 20s...

 

[tangotime]

He does, but he remains puzzled how a 30s dance is a foreunner to one that had its first outing two decades before and was standardised in the 20s...

Thats not the point I was trying to make.. just illustrating that the Amer. style had not been brought up, and , there are many ( in the UK for eg. )who are pros ., and are not aware it exists .

 

[pygmalion]

Honestly, I'm not sure why the timeline is such a sticking point. Bronze social foxtrot and international FT have some commonality, but look very different, to me, at least. Why is it so hard to believe that, sometime after bronze social foxtrot was codified in the US (eek! There goes that word. ) other dances or dance styles influenced the development of international FT as danced in the UK?

Not saying that's what happened. I have no idea and am not a dance historian. Nor was I there to see much of it happen (although I suspect TT may have been there to see some of the tail end of the dance's development) I don't see the two comments as mutually exclusive.

 

[tangotime]

Why is it so hard to believe that, sometime after bronze social foxtrot was codified in the US (eek! There goes that word. ) other dances or dance styles influenced the development of international FT as danced in the UK?

have been there to see some of the tail end of the dance's development) I don't see the two comments as mutually exclusive


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I thought indicated that, in the style known as " slicker ".. danced in Calif (or was ) .

The Intern. style in its core elements, have not changed essentially in the last 70yrs .

What I did see, from the Amer.style perspective, was the inclusion of many variations from Intern. style brought into the Amer. syl. at the more advanced levels .

All of the "Intern.style " dances were, at that time,( up to the early 60s ) named the " English " style . They were all placed in the Gold standard which was kind strange to see a basic Bronze level Q/S etc, taught at that level ( a sales tool )

 

[pygmalion]

Yes. I read that, tt.


I'm suggesting that international style foxtrot may have continued to evolve after bronze foxtrot (a la Arthur Murray) was already set and on a different path of evolution. Maybe not. You would certainly know better than I.

 

[Dave Bailey]

And thus began art.

Poor posture from the one on the right

 

[bordertangoman]

Poor posture from the one on the right

The one with the arrow in his back?

 

[bordertangoman]

A brief history of Dance and Dance Discussion Forums:

At some point in time, people began dancing. Eventually they danced together... or maybe they did that first and then danced solo. Historians disagree on that. Someone noticed that not everyone danced the same. Someone came up with a term to distinguish people who moved well from those who were actually having seizures. Eventually they called it "dancing" but that was much later after English was invented. Prior to that they called it something else.

Later it was observed that there were commonalities in the way people moved when certain sticks were hit together, vs stones. That was the beginning of arguing over styles. Those who disagreed on the way to move had the sticks and stones thrown at them.

Eventually people decided that blood was a hazard on the dance floor so they took their arguments to the cave walls, which was more civilized. But it was hard to edit an entry, so the internet was invented.

Voila... here we are.

lol

 

[bordertangoman]

Thats not the point I was trying to make.. just illustrating that the Amer. style had not been brought up, and , there are many ( in the UK for eg. )who are pros ., and are not aware it exists .

its probably a brit thing about denial; not acknowledging that anything with the words "American" and "style" can exist.

 

[Dave Bailey]

The one with the arrow in his back?

Pah, that's no excuse.

 

[tangotime]

its probably a brit thing about denial; not acknowledging that anything with the words "American" and "style" can exist.

used to be that way ( still is in some quarters ) , maybe not so much denial, but more like " we know a better way " .