Dave Bailey
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Excellent. My goodness, they're not bad dancers are they...
CE question to leaders-the CW giro, how do you begin it?
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Yes, I've watched this video many times, trying to get how they do it. It's very smooth.
For me, this gyro is much better when my partner really turns the molinete strongly.
borisvian13
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Very true, he stops her at the side step so it's not really a giro. I totally missed that.
But that's even better, the video is an example of the relatively rare phenomenon of a (almost) molinette which is not done in a giro pace.
Mario7
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:idea::notworth::doh::-(
Angel HI
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Very true, both. It is not a good ex. of a giro, b/c it isn't. I agree that it is not a good example of a molinete.
Angel HI
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getting away from the vid, and back to the OP's o.p., one of the easiest ways to focus on nothing but the giro derecho is to not muddle it w/ crosses, ochos, salida contratiempo, etc. but as we did in CE..... lead - side step L. From here, there are 2 possibilities... lead crosses R behind L - follow steps fwd; or lead closes R to L, rotates to R, and steps side R; follow will comply very naturally and easily. Continue giro/molinete.
check 0:37 at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D2wkFV4oX0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D2wkFV4oX0
Mario7
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Hmm, I guess it's getting to where I would have to distinguish between a giro and a molinete? I was told that the word 'giro' was the only word used in BsAs and not molinete. I was also told that 'giving space' and 'taking space' where terms used in the giro. In this case, he is walking around her or they around each other. I see that I am focused on the woman grape-vining around the man. I'm thinking that the two different
dynamics need two different words like 'giro' and 'molinete'.
Dave Bailey
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To clarify: when I talk about "giro", I'm talking about the pattern where the man rotates and the woman walks around him in the side-back-side-forward-etc. pattern.
I can't say what anyone else is talking about...
Possibly. It's new to me, but that doesn't make it wrong.
If they're walking around each other, there's a shared axis.
But if he's walking around her, is that not a calecita?
Well, they're doing different things - but I'm not sure that means they need two different words, God knows there's too much jargon in the dance already.
A giro is surely any turn not a specific one and not necessarily just the woman walks/grapevines around the man but also both can make the turning movement simultaneously. Or sometimes the man can step into the womans space as she leaves it, changing places and creating the sacada illusion.
Oh not again!
There's no such thing in Tango, each partner has their own axis which themselves are always changing.
And to make the point differently, the only way an axis can be shared is for the man to stand on one leg and the woman to stand on one leg on his head! Or the other way round.
This is a problem actually caused by the use of the word axis in describing the way we stand in balance on one leg and in moving create new axes. But that use is accepted and understood as a shorthand for moving yet being balanced individually.
If you insist on re-using the word for two partners turning simultaneously as if they are both on the circumference of a circle, can we agree to call that an axis of rotation. Homer exemplifies that sort of turn very well although I can't say I've seen it in any videos of social tango in BsAs.
And incomprehensible, inconsistent meaningless jargon at that.
Dave Bailey
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Feel free to use that term - I'm just clarifying what I'm referring to.
I meant "axis of rotation" - but OK, let me rephrase that - the partners are both walking around a central point somewhere in between them. They may also have a shared balance point (i.e. be learning on each other) of course.
The main point is, it's still a "giro" (by my definition), not anything else.
bordertangoman
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Feel free to use that term - I'm just clarifying what I'm referring to.
I meant "axis of rotation" - but OK, let me rephrase that - the partners are both walking around a central point somewhere in between them. They may also have a shared balance point (i.e. be learning on each other) of course.
The main point is, it's still a "giro" (by my definition), not anything else.
Quite right Galileo; much like the earth turns on its own axis and orbits the sun; two axises
Yes, around where I am, that is called either a giro or the molinette. (I'm never sure how it's spelled, though)To clarify: when I talk about "giro", I'm talking about the pattern where the man rotates and the woman walks around him in the side-back-side-forward-etc. pattern.
I can't say what anyone else is talking about...
;-)
I've heard some people call that the double giro, where they both step around the point in the center between them, (or the shared axis).
Yes, it's sort of the opposite of the molinette. She's doing the pivoting, while the guy is doing the stepping. I like the calesita, but it violates my rule of the women always doing the harder steps.
Also, the 4th "circular" turn is the single axis turn (and some also call it a type of colgada), where both pivot on (technically, close to) the same spot.
@Mario
When I dance with some pattern followers and they ask what I had done I tell them what, but don't expect that next time.
Because of music and the space around us.
It is impossible to name everything in tango.
If Rodrigo had put his right leg behind his left he would have made full giro, but he had interrupted giro and went into sacada.
When I dance with some pattern followers and they ask what I had done I tell them what, but don't expect that next time.
Because of music and the space around us.
It is impossible to name everything in tango.
If Rodrigo had put his right leg behind his left he would have made full giro, but he had interrupted giro and went into sacada.
Mario7
Member
OK, point taken. I guess my biggest preoccupation was the ease of start of the giro or turn. And yes, certain starts are more used than others...I figure that there's a reason for that and am just trying to acertain the most efficient ways to start. If the giro gets interrupted or turned into something else, that's not my concern at present. Thanks everyone!