Chicho Frumboli interview in El Tangauta (Dec 2009)

[jantango]

I became aware of it when bloggers started writing about. I downloaded it to read. It can't be linked because it requires that you register to read or download the issue. The article can be read in English.

Chicho makes some very interesting statements about the "new" movement in tango. Although he learned from milongueros, he admits that he got into creating something new. The new movement in tango missed something in the teaching -- passing on the essence of tango. He says, "I take total responsibility" for this and the others should too.

Chicho didn't pass on what he learned from the milongueros, so there is something missing between the old dancers and the young ones. He was that link. He taught only the new structures.

"The new tango lost a bit of the respect for what tango is."

"Today, they all dance the same."

www.eltangauta.com and register to download magazine No. 182 to read the complete interview.

I hope that those who have been brainwashed all these years into believing they were learning tango will read what he says and take it to heart. It's not too late to learn from the milongueros who are still around.

 

[dchester]

So, do you think that Chicho will start teaching milonguero style?

 

[Me]

So, do you think that Chicho will start teaching milonguero style?

I hope not! I want him to continue into new territories that are uniquely Chicho.

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Bliss!

 

[bordertangoman]

I became aware of it when bloggers started writing about. I downloaded it to read. It can't be linked because it requires that you register to read or download the issue. The article can be read in English.

Chicho makes some very interesting statements about the "new" movement in tango. Although he learned from milongueros, he admits that he got into creating something new. The new movement in tango missed something in the teaching -- passing on the essence of tango. He says, "I take total responsibility" for this and the others should too.

Chicho didn't pass on what he learned from the milongueros, so there is something missing between the old dancers and the young ones. He was that link. He taught only the new structures.

"The new tango lost a bit of the respect for what tango is."

"Today, they all dance the same."

www.eltangauta.com and register to download magazine No. 182 to read the complete interview.

I hope that those who have been brainwashed all these years into believing they were learning tango will read what he says and take it to heart. It's not too late to learn from the milongueros who are still around.

I read the article after guessing the spanish sign up form and its interesting. i dont think Chicho is particularly responsible for how people are dancing; he could only influence the people he teaches, and if other Argentines are abroad are not teaching whatever it is the milongueros would like to pass on ( and are they interested in passing it on?) Perhaps it is a mutal lack of respect that has created this. we were are war with Argentina not so long ago, and both are proud people, if old people dont understand that younger people wish to have a voice of their own ( and my daughter teaches me this everyday; her life is her discovery not mine). I'm tired of people telling me what I should or shouldnt be doing;; that tango should be danced this or that way; if there is this mythical way that milongueros dance they seem pretty indifferent to doing anything about it. I dont see the tango equivalent of the Buena Vista Club octogenarians. I think Chicho is a pretty amazing dancer and maybe most people are pretty average in comparison but he inspires. I am not trying to emulate him, but I love his musical boldness and sharpness.

Our whole society is increasingly geared to making people jump through hoops.
"traditional/milonguero" tango seems to me to be another hoop. I dont see any evidence of milongueros wanting to impart their way of dancing or music. For instance Oscar Acerbras at a milonga played traditional tangos; Piazzolla arrangements and some other quite strange rather jazzy music; why? I do not know; to show off his abilities? I agree that there is a rift but it is not of my making I am pretty much in the middle and on both sides.

Chicho's comments could reflect societal changes as much as anything that has happened particularly in tango; we have less and less respect for "authority" because those who were in command didnt have the foresight to see the consequences of the way we live. My parents generation were brought up strictly and that reflected in the way they brought me up, but it has served me badly as I discovered that most people who were my peers were far more relaxed. I dont think those who advocate traditional tango dancing have respect for nuevo dancers and that results in snobbery and elitism.

 

[Mario7]

Our whole society is increasingly geared to making people jump through hoops.
"traditional/milonguero" tango seems to me to be another hoop. I dont see any evidence of milongueros wanting to impart their way of dancing or music.............. I dont think those who advocate traditional tango dancing have respect for nuevo dancers and that results in snobbery and elitism.

I am more and more tired of this cross current communication rift complete with misunderstandings and the continuous comparing of apples to oranges. We have two very different dances here and I personally will be looking for a dance forum that is dedicated entirely to the traditional tango way of social dancing.

 

[Me]

And, here we go... AGAIN...

 

[Peaches]

"Can't we all just get along?"

(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

 

[Captain Jep]

Is this what you mean? (note the boleo lol ):

 

[opendoor]

Re: Neo Guardia

Chicho started his career with NeoTango, and I loved it. Now he is almost exclusively interpreting GuardiaVieja, and I dont like it, at all. That doesnt fit together, (only my view ....

 

[jantango]

So, do you think that Chicho will start teaching milonguero style?

No, because there is no milonguero style. Each milonguero dances his own personal style.

We may see Chicho coming back to the essence that he lost in all those years of trying to create something new. At least he was man enough to admit that he went off on a tangent and accepts responsibility for it.

 

[dchester]

No, because there is no milonguero style. Each milonguero dances his own personal style.

We may see Chicho coming back to the essence that he lost in all those years of trying to create something new. At least he was man enough to admit that he went off on a tangent and accepts responsibility for it.

It sounds like you are playing a semantical game or something. If you wish to call it, this "essence" thing that he learned from the milongueros, then so be it. However, plenty of people know what is being referred to by the term, milonguero style. You can pretend you don't know what I'm talking about if you wish, but then how do you distinguish the style you claim to like from nuevo?

 

[Dave Bailey]

He says, "I take total responsibility" for this and the others should too.

Chicho didn't pass on what he learned from the milongueros, so there is something missing between the old dancers and the young ones. He was that link. He taught only the new structures.

"The new tango lost a bit of the respect for what tango is."

"Today, they all dance the same."

Sorry, but it's silly trying to launch a discussion based on a source which we can't all see. And no, I'm not registering with them, my details are valuable.

So either quote significant sections directly from it, or use another source.

I hope that those who have been brainwashed all these years into believing they were learning tango will read what he says and take it to heart.

I can't. It's not public.

I guess I'll have to stay brainwashed. Oh well.

It's not too late to learn from the milongueros who are still around.

Sounds great.

Now if only someone could show me around BsAs and introduce me to them.

 

[Me]

So either quote significant sections directly from it, or use another source.

Nah. It's much more fun to just throw something kinda' vague and provoking out there, and then watch all the fish take a nibble.

 

[Captain Jep]

Gah Dave do what I did - pretend you live in Recoleta (aka somewhere posh in BsAs)... thats what I did..

I'll give you the gist -
" I've reached the top and had to stop, and that's what's bothering me. I want to be a milonguero , man cub, and stroll right into town, and be just like all the other milongueros , I'm tired to monkeying around. So oobedoo .... "

 

[Me]

Here is a new video on Youtube of Chicho dancing to Di Sarli...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHKmyqsj4Yw

I admire Chicho's style, but for this video, it would have been nice to see him return to a milonguero style... IMO.