Class Etiquette

nuitblanche

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Dear Dance Studios,

I am a student learning the Argentine Tango in NYC.

First let me say how much I love the tango classes being offered throughout Manhattan at the various dance studios around the city. The number of classes offered, the diversity of levels and topics, and most importantly, the dedication and sheer creative genius of the wonderfully inspirational tango instructors make me feel truly privileged that I live in New York.

But in spite of this, I have considered taking a break from classes altogether. The frustrations and negative feelings I have been experiencing after each class is starting to outweigh my love of the dance, and the joy of learning it. Many times, I have wanted to give up on learning the tango altogether.

And here is why:

It seems to me that everyone is always talking about the customs and codes of conduct of the Milongas. No one seems to bother about Class Etiquette, which is incomprehensible to me, as a lot of suffering goes on in group classes.

Unlike the milongas where we get to filter out unwanted partners, in classes, we must dance with everyone. Because of that, I have found that of all the opportunities to tango (group classes, milongas, practicas, workshops), group classes are the most difficult in which to maintain one's sense of equilibrium, or even one's humanity. People can have terrible attitudes, and that negativity is almost always channelled out towards one's unsuspecting partner in class.

I understand that the Dancefloor mirrors Life, and that there are as many different personalities and attitudes as there are people. Going to a dance studio predicates that one will come into contact with many types of individuals, and that learning how to deal with the negative attitudes of others in a diplomatic way is part of learning a social dance.

However, I also believe that it is fair to ask everyone to adhere to simple basic rules of human conduct -- such as personal hygiene, and exercising some emotional self-control.

I understand that it is impossible for instructors to monitor and police all the negative attitudes pervading their classes, or reprimand every jerk that decides to be, well, a jerk. There is nothing that can be done about all the rude little huffs and unnecessary eye-rolling that goes on in group classes. However, there are a few simple things that can vastly improve class experience.

Would it be possible for dance studios to make a small initiative in improving class experience for everyone? It would be very helpful if there was an orientation seminar at the beginning of each term, for example, or even simply a hand-out given to all students, on dance etiquette, and rules on behaviour during class.

Some critical examples are:

1. FEEDBACK
No talking, or giving unwanted advice to one's partner, unless he/she specifically asks for feedback. Students are not teachers, so do not attempt to teach if you are not a teacher. If you have problems with your partner's steps or posture, please ask the teacher to correct it. An exception is when your partner is hurting you (repeatedly stepping on your feet, pulling your arm, pressing down on your wrist, pulling you hard towards them, or leaning on you so that you are losing balance).

2. ROTATING
Do not grab onto your new partner when rotating. Remember that your partners are human beings. Leaders, do not grab or pull on anyone's fingers, wrist, arm, or back, until the follower is facing you and ready for the embrace. There is nothing creepier than a man pulling you towards him by your wrist, and it can ruin a woman's experience in class, not to mention the rest of her day.

3. THE EMBRACE
Unless the class is specifically dedicated to learning the close embrace, it is up to the follower to choose either a close or more open embrace during class. The leader may invite the follower into a close embrace, but under no circumstances are leaders allowed to pull a follower towards him, violating her personal space.

4. BASIC HYGIENE
Unlike Swing or Ballroom, Argentine tango is much more intimate, and in a class setting where students must dance with everyone, I cannot stress enough the importance of cleanliness.

a. Please shower on mornings before class
b. Use of deodorant or anti-perspirant
c. Bring extra shirts and towels
d. Minimal use of perfume/cologne
e. Use of gum or breathmints

I realise that the above suggestions are extremely obvious. But it is unbelievable just how many individuals ignore these basic things that can make or break a class experience for others. I know of at least four people (including two close friends) during the past month who have left the dance studio I go to, or have given up learning the Argentine Tango because of these reasons.

As for myself, it is a daily struggle just to plod through classes with excellent teachers that I would otherwise very much enjoy. Private lessons are not an option for me (a struggling artist who spends all her money on rent), so these group classes are very precious to me. I was born and raised in Manhattan, a city in which its inhabitants need extra-thick skins in order to survive. If these otherwise wonderful classes can become torture even for someone like myself...

I think it would help if people are reminded of these simple things again and again, either through flyers, or a dedicated seminar, or signs. It would enable students to focus on what is taught in class, instead of fighting to maintain a mental barrier against the rotten apples, of which there are many more than the instructors realise.

We are all here to learn an art which we love. Please help your students not to give up dancing!

Sincerely,
Tango Student in NYC.
 
Could you get together with your friends who have left AT and some other like-minded individuals and hire an instructor to teach you in a semi-private? I don't know if that's often done in the At scene, but it is not uncommon in ballroom and usually that means splitting the private lesson fee among the members of the group.
 
Maybe find a willing partner, and be adamant about not wanting to rotate?

Better yet, photocopy hundreds of leaflets with your post, and anonymously leave them about the studio, for people to find and read. Tanguerrilla marketing :).
 
You see! more reasons why I'm getting fed up with Tango!

I think those things you've mentioned are universal, the only thing you missed is:
very crap leader can't do it and refuses to ask for help from teacher so insists on blaming you-ask for help jerk face!

and

Followers who do what they just saw the teacher doing no matter what her partner is leading-he'll think he can do it perfectly (see above) and will never improve, rendering the whole lesson a waste of time and money.


I would say that changing partners is pretty important in Tango because you need to find out how well you can interpret with different leaders/followers, it's easier to do that and have some help if it's not working than suffering through the Milonga- if you don't change partners during the class people might assume you won't want to change partners at the Milonga either.
 
Joe! said:
You must be female...
I've always admired raw courage!

spectator said:
I think those things you've mentioned are universal, the only thing you missed is:
very crap leader can't do it and refuses to ask for help from teacher so insists on blaming you-ask for help jerk face!
Poor Julie was bemoaning exactly that as we drove back from Komala & Stefan's workshop on Wednesday. It happened to Julie 3 times but each time Komala spotted it and took the guilty leader away for a little personal instruction; I doubt that they'd have been blaming Komala for long! It is horribly frustrating, but it does cut both ways. I've had exactly the same kind of thing from followers. And I agree that "backleading" followers help nobody unless you agree in advance that the follower will "lead herself" through a movement so that the leader can feel what he needs to provide.

Why is it that some people find it so difficult to work together in a spirit of co-operation and kindness when they're practicing something? The world isn't going to end if you admit that you may be wrong! Julie and I make an effort to be "consciously kind" to each other when we're practicing; it doesn't cost anything to listen to each other, to look for the positive in any remark, to try and avoid sounding censorious, for me to look at how I could be getting it wrong before blaming Julie and vice versa. After all, we dance for fun. For the most part, people are more polite to strangers than they are to someone they love (think about the horrors of teaching your partner to drive or partnering them at Bridge); I shudder to think how these folk, who are rude and dogmatic to strangers in classes, treat their significant other.

We dance fixed partner sometimes if a class is of very, very mixed ability but more often we rotate. I agree that it's important to do that when you can, plus it's always nice to meet the other folk in the class.
 
I think the instructors should give some briefing regarding etiquette before every class or risk losing students.
 
And no tickling!

I tickled one of my students when her partner's arm was drifting toward her waist ( to illustrate the point) . boy was she ticklish.
and really I just shouldn't have. :wink:
 
Yeah NuitBlanche if you're on a budget why not, instead of one weekly group class, taking one monthly private? It will be as efficient, possibly cheaper and in any case more enjoyable.
 
What if....
you are new to the city and aren't able to meet people through work? How do you make friends and start a social network?
You join a group class.

It might be that there are 4 or 5 rude dancers, but they often don't realise how unpleasant it is dancing with them, and are actually very nice people?

Attending a class is more about socialising for most people than a proper learning experience. I think you can accommodate both though,
those who come only to learn tango
those who come because it gets them out of the house and seeing people

If the ettiquette is clearly delineated all camps are happy, the vulgarians will find that they suddenly discover that people are more friendly, the socialisers will find a more pleasant atmosphere and the hard core learners will find things easier.
 
I think the instructors should give some briefing regarding etiquette before every class or risk losing students.
Actually, I think the more "pre-class instruction" the instructors give, the more students they put off - new people don't want to learn technique, they want to learn "those fancy moves with the leg-kicks".

So a good teacher has to be almost anti-commercial in some ways.
 
4: ROTATING
Do not grab onto your new partner when rotating. Remember that your partners are human beings. Leaders, do not grab or pull on anyone's fingers, wrist, arm, or back, until the follower is facing you and ready for the embrace. There is nothing creepier than a man pulling you towards him by your wrist, and it can ruin a woman's experience in class, not to mention the rest of her day.

3. THE EMBRACE
Unless the class is specifically dedicated to learning the close embrace, it is up to the follower to choose either a close or more open embrace during class. The leader may invite the follower into a close embrace, but under no circumstances are leaders allowed to pull a follower towards him, violating her personal space.


If your instructors really are the great teachers you write that they are, they should be addressing these issues in their classes. Please talk to them either before or after class. They may be unaware of the fact that this is going on.
They don't have to be confrontational, but treating your partner with respect is a basic tenant of Argentine Tango.

(An aside here is that taking the embrace is an art in itself.)

You proabably can't change the world by yourself, but you can make a contribution. If you have been talking to other women in the classes, and they expressed the same concerns, and they, too, are willing to talk to the instructors, you will increase your chances of success.

I was appalled by how frequently leaders in my community would run into other couples, and not apologize. (Oh, it's Tango, and we are in a Tango Trance. I guess.) I had some success in having at least one instructor talk more frequently about leader's responsibilties when running into other couples.

If you have lots of instructors to chose from, and they don't address your concerns, find someone who does.
 

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