Emotional maturity or what is that we are looking at - Gavito Festival 2024/Gustavo Naveira - Giselle Anne ?
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pianistamediano
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What's the context here?
pianistamediano
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Oh, this provides more information:
Edit: Did a bit more digging on Facebook, and this is what a prominent Polish organiser said (translated from Polish):
Taken from this post:
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which also includes plenty of griping over having to register as a couple (leader/follower) instead of separate registrations at marathons in Europe.
Honestly, I wouldn't know — I've never been asked by a follower to register with her, and all the marathons I've been to just give a discount for a couple registering together.
Edit: Did a bit more digging on Facebook, and this is what a prominent Polish organiser said (translated from Polish):
Taken from this post:
Gustavo Naveira & Giselle Anne’s performance at Gavito Tango Festival 10/5/24 | By Monica Lachica Orca | Facebook
Gustavo Naveira & Giselle Anne’s performance at Gavito Tango Festival 10/5/24
www.facebook.com
which also includes plenty of griping over having to register as a couple (leader/follower) instead of separate registrations at marathons in Europe.
Honestly, I wouldn't know — I've never been asked by a follower to register with her, and all the marathons I've been to just give a discount for a couple registering together.
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ardix
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I guess besides this aspect of human behavior /respect (or emotional maturity as I phrased it in the title) the more interesting question is: now, that tango has become a profession (or, at least, we see a professionalization of tango) is there a deontology that comes with it?
A domestic argument goes public! Guess he's sleeping on the couch after that!
Unprofessional. Poor publicity. Does illustrate playing a role in the dance performance however you feel.
We don't know the background. Could just as readily criticise her for not completing the 'performance', i.e. the now expected encore for the audience, despite their obvious disagreement, but he handled it very poorly.
I guess solos, by definition, never mess up with their partner!
Unprofessional. Poor publicity. Does illustrate playing a role in the dance performance however you feel.
We don't know the background. Could just as readily criticise her for not completing the 'performance', i.e. the now expected encore for the audience, despite their obvious disagreement, but he handled it very poorly.
I guess solos, by definition, never mess up with their partner!
It's a performance, just like any other, on any stage. There have been disagreements before performances by players for centuries. Nothing new here.
ardix
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It is an incident, sure, but it showcasts values, behaviors and even norms that belong to the tango world/scene and not only to individuals alone. Basically , when you are a public figure what you do in public is more than just personal whims.
Every scene (e.g. ballroom, theatre, choirs, 'pop' groups, tennis, etc) has similar scenes. Why just hang it on to AT? Nothing new. But now it gets filmed and is around the world in an instant. They held it together for their performance. If they'd retired to their 'dressing room' for their argument, or left the building, would we be any the wiser?
Yes, unprofessional. But nothing new with any couples working together. Do I need to judge them for whatever their disagreement was about?
itwillhappen
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I think the facts are clear. Social media sometimes loves things like this as a point of identification. I think the last big thing was the couple of women who were thrown out in St. Petersburg a few years ago.
For me, it's part of personal emotional maturity to see whether that can be applied to my environment. But I've never danced there in St. Petersburg, and I've never met this guy at a festival. And so I'm postponing any thoughts about a boycott etc. until that time.
One, it is unquestionably unprofessional. It would be frowned upon if anyone did it, and celebrities are held to a still higher standard, because they are ambassadors and role models in their domain of expertise. This couple simply must know better.
Two, all people are human, and this sort of thing happens from time to time. It need not reflect on the culture of Tango, or even the general nature of the individuals. Always seek to avoid Fundamental Attribution Error.
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Basically, this is merely gossip that merits no action. The conflict is between the two dancers, and is their issue to resolve--or not--as they see fit. Event organizers might be hesitant to contract this couple in the future if such friction is a recurring pattern of behavior, but that doesn't mean much to any of us attendees.
On the other hand, if this is a pattern of behavior, it does perhaps mean that the couple should be treated as less of a role model. This hearkens back to the old question of whether the art can be separated from the character of the artist. I treat that on a case-by-case basis, and I don't know enough about these two to have any sort of informed opinion. In general, mere argumentativeness or abrasiveness is the sort of case where I would be fine with the separation, and continue to admire and accept the art even as I frown at the artist's character.
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ardix
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Good point!
I don't know about gossiping. Personally, I am not interested in what has happened between them and caused this behavior. What I see here is rather a case of 'the king is naked' and an opportunity for reflection.
Boycott what?
The event? The dancers? The dance?
Why? It's not even a consideration. They're human. They disagreed. The only issue is that a consequence was unprofessionally public, someone posted it on FB, it's travelled the world. Now people are looking about who to support, or pick sides, to cast blame, wrt a disagreement to which we're not party.
itwillhappen
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I would also be cautious about the assessment "king". We know posthumously that Juan Carlos Copes, who I found to be even more unsympathetic in the media, had no retirement savings to stop dancing tango before his embarrassing performances. And as far as I understand, he died of a mixture of smoking, Covid and poverty.
And to put it bluntly: there is no victim here either. If this Gustavo Naveira had(!) known that he would(!) not live much longer, then this "naked suicide" could(!) have been his last service so that Giselle Anne could(!) make it on her own.
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