Good teacher?

I agree, they should have been much kinder to a beginner! Again, I will defend dancers' right to invite, accept and reject an invitation for any reason without explanation, but that doesn't mean that one cannot be friendly and respectful to people they don't want to dance with anyway.
Yes, I agree. The guy was an knat. He should have refused the invite if he felt it was beneath him but there was no reason to treat her that way. It was rude and arrogant. OTOH, after one lesson in tango, why not attend a práctica, where she would have enjoyed herself a lot more and learned a lot more.
 
*Or so I've heard about certain scenes and salsa congresses.
Again no.

festivals and salsa scene you refer to is very small part of salsa dancing universe. There is 5x to 10x bigger salsa outside the world of salsa festivals and local scenes.

Talking about the festivals and regular socials of studio trained social dancers:

If you can dance well, people will dance with you. The pyt effect exists but isn’t that bad. At festivals and socials you are referring to, women will ask more relative to tango. Europe id mostly follower heavy and center of festivals. In USA the s have different vibe, greater percentage of beginners, more performances by average or beginners that you have to suffer through if you chose to watch, and best dancers are found at socials.​
It is very typical of salsa promotions to portray it as this sexy dance with scantily dressed women. Most of the performances at the festivals without fail have women wearing very revealing clothes or almost none.​
Size of person doesn’t mean they don’t get asked to dance. It is mostly open hold dance and size doesn’t matter.​
Like tango, a lot of long time salsa dancers are not all that good dancers. There are many who survive local scenes but when they go to the festivals they might find average level of dancing a lot higher than the local scene.​
Salsa is also more athletic. The music is twice as fast as tango. You have to be your feet. Salsa dancers, the trained ones, are very particular about being on time. If you are not quick on your feet, you can get off time quickly. These elements do work against followers who are older. Not if they were already dancing salsa. I seen leaders who take up salsa in their 40s and 50s struggle too. Again similar to tango.​
Then there are latin@s dancers who grew up dancing at family backyard parties, family gatherings, weddings, etc. if not dancing they are very familiar with the music. These dancers keep their steps extremely simple. Almost like rocking side to side the whole song. Unlike tango, almost every latin@ has heard salsa music growing up. Whether they like it or not. There is a greater cultural affinity to salsa music for an average latin@ than the same can be said of average Argentine for tango music. I know a number of Argentinians for whom tango is something they know is identified with Argentina, but far off in their lives. Almost like yoga and Indians.
 
There are better choices if you're visiting. El D. is probably the ultimate clique in NYC. Also, a terrible floor layout. But the regulars seem to like it.
You mean El D. (Whatever it is short form for) = Solas?

I think author referred to it in her medium article as solas.
 
Yes, I agree. The guy was an knat. He should have refused the invite if he felt it was beneath him but there was no reason to treat her that way. It was rude and arrogant. OTOH, after one lesson in tango, why not attend a práctica, where she would have enjoyed herself a lot more and learned a lot more.
I have a story of a local dancer. She is not a tango dancer. She dances some other social dance and is not good at it either. She is type who will do random stuff no matter what lead is trying to do.

She tried tango. Only after taking one lesson. She expected people will dance with her at milongas like in the other social dance she does. She is kinda young, slim, and good looking. I told her she should take lessons in tango and can’t expect to fly by without lessons. She will do the asking but soon leaders start avoiding in the other social dance. The same probably happened in tango too. After a few months she gave up on tango. Her comment to me was tango people are evil :D in this case fault was all her. She has no fundamentals in dancing. Neither in tango nor other social dances. She tries to wing it. No spatial awareness either. And no willingness to take classes and learn proper way to dance.
 
Not necessarily. It can be the good music and finding other high quality dancers too. Those two can be big contributing factors.
You're saying that there are dancers who go to a milonga because that's where the "high quality dancers" are, even though they know that they're snobby and picky and cliquish? And even though they don't like people who are snobby and picky and cliquish, they complain afterwards that these didn't dance with them? How foolish can one be?
 
You're saying that there are dancers who go to a milonga because that's where the "high quality dancers" are, even though they know that they're snobby and picky and cliquish? And even though they don't like people who are snobby and picky and cliquish, they complain afterwards that these didn't dance with them? How foolish can one be?
It's weirdly common. Several times a week, I hear from people – and I have specific dancers in mind – who go to a milonga despite suspecting that it will be full of people who are (in their opinion) snobby and who won't invite them to dance. They tell me that they hated it and so won't be going back. Then they return anyway and complain about the same thing . . . week after week.

I agree that it's foolish. I'm also not sure what I'm supposed to do about it! These people are found at every milonga. I think they believe that by showing up often enough, they'll eventually be invited into some secret club of regulars, be seen dancing a few times, and get more invitations after that. Reality is that if you don't dance all night, you aren't interesting to the dancers there for whatever reason (that's their right) and that's unlikely to change.

My reaction to super-snobby events is to stop going. There are at least 12 weekly milongas easily accessible to me, plus another 5-6 I could get to if it were important, plus I-don't-know-how-many weekly prácticas and "practilongas," plus a selection of semimonthly, monthly, quarterly, and annual special events, plus sporadic live-music concerts. No sane person could dance at all of them. I find out where my tango friends will be and go those events, and make a point of not going to the ones where I have no friends.
 
I was joking around with a follower about dance cards the other night — maybe we should bring those back too. (:
I maintain an actual mental list of who I intend to dance with. When being stalked by someone weird, I simply say, "Sorry, I have a long list this evening." In a way, I wouldn't mind an actual card to show them. The trick would be having some level of control over who's on the card . . . if just anybody could sign up, it wouldn't serve much of a purpose.
 
You're saying that there are dancers who go to a milonga because that's where the "high quality dancers" are, even though they know that they're snobby and picky and cliquish? And even though they don't like people who are snobby and picky and cliquish, they complain afterwards that these didn't dance with them? How foolish can one be?
It's weirdly common. Several times a week, I hear from people – and I have specific dancers in mind – who go to a milonga despite suspecting that it will be full of people who are (in their opinion) snobby and who won't invite them to dance. They tell me that they hated it and so won't be going back. Then they return anyway and complain about the same thing . . . week after week.

I agree that it's foolish. I'm also not sure what I'm supposed to do about it! These people are found at every milonga. I think they believe that by showing up often enough, they'll eventually be invited into some secret club of regulars, be seen dancing a few times, and get more invitations after that. Reality is that if you don't dance all night, you aren't interesting to the dancers there for whatever reason (that's their right) and that's unlikely to change.

My reaction to super-snobby events is to stop going. There are at least 12 weekly milongas easily accessible to me, plus another 5-6 I could get to if it were important, plus I-don't-know-how-many weekly prácticas and "practilongas," plus a selection of semimonthly, monthly, quarterly, and annual special events, plus sporadic live-music concerts. No sane person could dance at all of them. I find out where my tango friends will be and go those events, and make a point of not going to the ones where I have no friends.

You are assuming a snobby milonga has same cast of evil characters every week :D The mix changes. If you are a good dancer you can survive the snobbiest milongas. Or if you have your keys clique. If you are an average, beginner, etc then it becomes tougher.

You call up a few friends and go with them. Certain milongas are known for higher quality dancing than the others. It is a common thing.

It is not like a cabal of people got together and decided we are going to make this milonga snobbish. I don’t rate a place less snobbish because I get my dances. You watch around what’s happening. You hear people talk.
 
It is not like a cabal of people got together and decided we are going to make this milonga snobbish.
I agree with most of your points, but not the above. This actually happens, at least here. I know about it because I know a lot of teachers. There are definitely technically "public" milongas – not encuentros, but events that just anybody could walk into, pay, and sit at (because they won't dance) – that make a point of not advertising other than by word of mouth among their preferred clientele. The photos afterward show nobody but teachers and visiting maestros on the floor, being watched by a sparse crowd of bored-looking "normals."
 
I find out where my tango friends will be and go those events, and make a point of not going to the ones where I have no friends.
If 70% of the people do that and say 3 or 4 different groups of Tango friends show up to the same milonga, to the rest 30% it will appear snobbish. Within each group say one or two person also wants to dance with others, they too think oh those dancers there know each other and busy dancing. Let’s wait till one of the specific dancers is free. That can take time or not happen that night.
 
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I agree with most of your points, but not the above. This actually happens, at least here.
The one I am referring to is not that. On most days you will hardly find any instructors there. It has a long running reputation now more than 2 decades. It is a regular fixture on the weekly calendar and popularly known place. A combination of factors go into making it snobbish. It is as much advertised as others. A private party it is not. From week to week the crowd can change dramatically. But not the level of snobbishness.
 

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