How to teach floor craft ?

I would sign up for a course that teaches dancing tango in a table sized space.
Well, got that at the moment anyway in a slightly larger than 3m*2m space.:oops:

On an out-of-town course in the big city pre-Covid we did actually have a demo of using steps in a small space (group gradually shrank the space available). We've also had that by restricting space available on the dance floor. And, of course, useful rescue steps when the ronda grinds to a halt. We've been to lessons where a selection of those have been taught. In fact, over recent group Zoom lessons we've had pointers about adapting to a small space.

It's beginning to appear that 'floorcraft' teaching isn't that common. Or have people just dropped out of lessons?
 
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It's beginning to appear that 'floorcraft' teaching isn't that common. Or have people just dropped out of lessons?
It doesn't sell. At least once on these forums, I recounted the story of how floorcraft lessons were met with open mockery when offered, and rarely had takers. It seems that most dancers just don't think it matters, as sad as that may be. It's always the other couples' problem.
 
It's beginning to appear that 'floorcraft' teaching isn't that common. Or have people just dropped out of lessons?

I had to just figure it out myself, because (I'm not exaggerating here) no teachers were able to effectively explain it.

What they are doing in that video is not actually impressive or difficult. You just keep the axis of rotation between the partners. It's possible to do a much larger vocabulary than that, if you want to.
 
It doesn't sell. At least once on these forums, I recounted the story of how floorcraft lessons were met with open mockery when offered, and rarely had takers. It seems that most dancers just don't think it matters, as sad as that may be. It's always the other couples' problem.
I've never had it 'sold' as 'floorcraft', but maybe I just identify it as that. It just turned up in a variety of lessons at various classes.

With some exceptions (e.g. someone some would like to get 'banned') I'd just assumed that all teachers covered 'milonga-survival' and that the more advanced dancers must have covered that type of material. Perhaps they just decided that learning more wasn't for them and bought into some interpretation of a 'tango lifestyle'? Knives out if you collide with me - and it's my space because I've paid for it.

Just like normal life!
 
I've never had it 'sold' as 'floorcraft', but maybe I just identify it as that. It just turned up in a variety of lessons at various classes.
I've taken classes that were explicitly called "Tango Floorcraft" and "Tango Self-Defense." I loved them, but they barely attracted enough students to take place.
Knives out if you collide with me - and it's my space because I've paid for it.
There's a lot of that where I live, unfortunately. Just switch "knives" for "high elbows."
 
I had to just figure it out myself, because (I'm not exaggerating here) no teachers were able to effectively explain it.

What they are doing in that video is not actually impressive or difficult. You just keep the axis of rotation between the partners. It's possible to do a much larger vocabulary than that, if you want to.
Never had 'floorcraft' as a formal lesson. It's usually been about obtaining precision in some steps (and leading the different followers precisely). Adapting that move to a small constrained space or filling a larger space. Practicing that move in a reduced space if there's not been sufficient participants.

I guess it's down to the teachers whether they can effectively explain it.

To be fair, I think I'd avoid any specific 'Tango Floorcraft' or 'Tango Self-Defense' class. Ours just seemed a standard part of the class and learning.

Guess that might be why some avoid group classes because they feel they're not learning enough moves.
 
Julius Zhou claimed this yesterday and I'm a bit puzzled. Are we born with this talent? Does it come by itself over the years, or are there specific learning units for it? And is there a cross-style understanding of floor craft? In my community, floor craft is mostly reduced to compliance with the rules, codigos, LOD and etiquette. What are your experiences, suggestions and tips?

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Obviously, it's something we learn, and it can be taught to beginners, at least the rudiments of it can. I think good floor craft, though, is something you acquire through practice and the desire to dance better. LOD is an integral part of it and, usually, one of the first things taught to beginning dancers. The real floor craft, learning to dance well on a crowded floor comes with experience.
 
Maybe they shouldn't be on the floor in the first place.
Probably not, but we all start somewhere. Remember that first milonga?

Some learn by lessons; others learn by crossing the road without checking traffic (let's not get into jaywalking and differences between countries).
 
Maybe they shouldn't be on the floor in the first place.
Probably not, but we all start somewhere. Remember that first milonga? It also depends on their lesson content.

Some learn by lessons; others learn by crossing the road without checking traffic (let's not get into jaywalking and differences between countries).
 

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