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D'nice
In teaching and learning both the teacher and the student are always challenged to ask the Questions clearly so that the answer being sought can be clearly delivered.
It's axiomatic, 'Ask the right questions if you want a clear answer!
Black Sheep
D'nice
In teaching and learning both the teacher and the student are always challenged to ask the Questions clearly so that the answer being sought can be clearly delivered.
It's axiomatic, 'Ask the right questions if you want a clear answer!
Black Sheep
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I might add a couple of philosophical points:
1) To teach is to learn twice
2) In order to be a good teacher, it is essential to be a good student first.
3) You never get there. You must always be open to learning.
1) To teach is to learn twice
2) In order to be a good teacher, it is essential to be a good student first.
3) You never get there. You must always be open to learning.
I'm sorry I thought the question was clear enough, I'll try rephrasing it.
Why do you teach swing based off a strict philosophy that certain steps/body movement happen on specific numbers, and when other steps are required to complete a pattern you are forced to "finesse" the counting so it does not disrupt your selected methodology?
I would think that the inclusion or repitition of counts could cause problems when the student is starting to move on to improvisation and syncopating, not just of the base rhythm of their steps, but starts syncopating and swinging the rhythm of the moves.
Why do you teach swing based off a strict philosophy that certain steps/body movement happen on specific numbers, and when other steps are required to complete a pattern you are forced to "finesse" the counting so it does not disrupt your selected methodology?
I would think that the inclusion or repitition of counts could cause problems when the student is starting to move on to improvisation and syncopating, not just of the base rhythm of their steps, but starts syncopating and swinging the rhythm of the moves.
Perhaps an even more simplified form of the overall question may help me understand the why behind your method.
Which is preferable, getting people on the dance floor as quickly as possible, at the possible expense of difficulty later -OR- some initial diifficulty with the benefit of the dance becoming eaiser as one progresses.
To be honest I don't think it is an either or case... I'm just curious if we are only given these two choices which people would choose, and how revealing it may be about them as people, dancers and teachers.
Personally I would rather there be a little bit of an uphill battle, knowing that once the crest is reached (assuming it is a visible and relatively easily attainable goal) it is coasting the rest of the way...
Which is preferable, getting people on the dance floor as quickly as possible, at the possible expense of difficulty later -OR- some initial diifficulty with the benefit of the dance becoming eaiser as one progresses.
To be honest I don't think it is an either or case... I'm just curious if we are only given these two choices which people would choose, and how revealing it may be about them as people, dancers and teachers.
Personally I would rather there be a little bit of an uphill battle, knowing that once the crest is reached (assuming it is a visible and relatively easily attainable goal) it is coasting the rest of the way...
Black Sheep
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The proof is in the pudden
D'nice'
Why don't you try teaching with my Magic Pill Method a few times, than your critiques would be more constructive and your Questions would be more pertinent, and be more valid. There's a logical saying, "Don't knock it until you've tried it!"
Black Sheep
'The Lindy Hop is America's Cultural Contribution to the World'
D'nice'
Why don't you try teaching with my Magic Pill Method a few times, than your critiques would be more constructive and your Questions would be more pertinent, and be more valid. There's a logical saying, "Don't knock it until you've tried it!"
Black Sheep
'The Lindy Hop is America's Cultural Contribution to the World'
The answer is pretty simple... when I asked for the procedures you said no. So I have the material, but no procedure.
And to be perfectly honest, I've used a method like this when I first started teaching ECS. I abandoned it when i started getting heavily into lindy and realized that the kinesthetic methods I was taught in my studies yielded much better results much faster and maintained an internal consistancy that I feel is paramount to good, responsible instruction.
Your procedure may give differing results than mine, though the concept of set steps on a given count is something I am familiar with.
In my experience as a teacher of various physical forms of movement, the best results have always been achieved when the brain is able to disengage, the body allowed to move as naturally as possible, and both brain and body remain relaxed.
And to be perfectly honest, I've used a method like this when I first started teaching ECS. I abandoned it when i started getting heavily into lindy and realized that the kinesthetic methods I was taught in my studies yielded much better results much faster and maintained an internal consistancy that I feel is paramount to good, responsible instruction.
Your procedure may give differing results than mine, though the concept of set steps on a given count is something I am familiar with.
In my experience as a teacher of various physical forms of movement, the best results have always been achieved when the brain is able to disengage, the body allowed to move as naturally as possible, and both brain and body remain relaxed.
Black Sheep
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d'nice caught in a bear trap...again!
D'nice States:
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"The answer is pretty simple... when I asked for the procedures you said no. So I have the material, but no procedure."
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D'nice'
You trapped yourself in a blatant false statement ...twice:
The word 'NO', in the sense of refusing anything to anyone, does not exist in my vocabulary. I have told my family and friends to inscribe the following epitaph on my Tombstone, " Joe Lanza, the man who never said 'NO'!
The second serious faux pas which also belies your 'NO' statement has to do with the procedure you state I refused to give you:
D'nice, The procedure you claim I refused to give you, is clearly stated at the 'HEAD' of this very thread; the procedure is given in 6 clear steps which you obviously did not read or which you inadvertently forgot.
One more thing: You can throw all the mis-quotes and misinterpretations you want, but when you try to spread these mis-quotes you are dealing with a man who has a memory like a bear trap and I caught you time and time again in your irresponsible mi-quotes in my bear trap. I do not know why you are trying to discredit my commentaries, but your so called methods of asking provocative questions does not strike me a sincere attempt of a student to learn from a Master. I have spent enough time with your quibblings. Why don't you come up with some valid critique or questions, and stop mis-quoting a man who has a memory like a bear trap that will snare you every time, even when you try to falsely impose on me one simple little word like 'NO' ?
Black Sheep
D'nice States:
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"The answer is pretty simple... when I asked for the procedures you said no. So I have the material, but no procedure."
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D'nice'
You trapped yourself in a blatant false statement ...twice:
The word 'NO', in the sense of refusing anything to anyone, does not exist in my vocabulary. I have told my family and friends to inscribe the following epitaph on my Tombstone, " Joe Lanza, the man who never said 'NO'!
The second serious faux pas which also belies your 'NO' statement has to do with the procedure you state I refused to give you:
D'nice, The procedure you claim I refused to give you, is clearly stated at the 'HEAD' of this very thread; the procedure is given in 6 clear steps which you obviously did not read or which you inadvertently forgot.
One more thing: You can throw all the mis-quotes and misinterpretations you want, but when you try to spread these mis-quotes you are dealing with a man who has a memory like a bear trap and I caught you time and time again in your irresponsible mi-quotes in my bear trap. I do not know why you are trying to discredit my commentaries, but your so called methods of asking provocative questions does not strike me a sincere attempt of a student to learn from a Master. I have spent enough time with your quibblings. Why don't you come up with some valid critique or questions, and stop mis-quoting a man who has a memory like a bear trap that will snare you every time, even when you try to falsely impose on me one simple little word like 'NO' ?
Black Sheep
Re: d'nice caught in a bear trap...again!
Let us take a quick look Joe-
me
you
So while you have included a section marked teaching procedure in this thread, It doesn't really give the detail necessary for someone to be able to duplicate you rexact method, what is push position to you? What angle are the dancers at in relation to each other? What kind of hand connection do they have? Is there compression or leveraged tension between them, or they in a neutral position? What angle are their arms at? Are they holding on with one hand or two? Where is their weight? Where in the foot? What kind of posture do they have?
Since everyone of these questions has a huge effect on how the first step is going to be taken, the teacher must have this knowledge otherwise he is filling in with his own info, which may be at complete odds with what they need to properly teach this material.
Perhaps you can now see that in fact you did originally refuse me the teaching procedures, and why I feel that what you have detailed in this thread covers only the most basic information, leaving out things which are very necessary in order for a teacher to achieve results in the advertised manner. In short you have supplied only part of the teaching procedure.
Black Sheep said:
Let us take a quick look Joe-
me
you
me
you
So while you have included a section marked teaching procedure in this thread, It doesn't really give the detail necessary for someone to be able to duplicate you rexact method, what is push position to you? What angle are the dancers at in relation to each other? What kind of hand connection do they have? Is there compression or leveraged tension between them, or they in a neutral position? What angle are their arms at? Are they holding on with one hand or two? Where is their weight? Where in the foot? What kind of posture do they have?
Since everyone of these questions has a huge effect on how the first step is going to be taken, the teacher must have this knowledge otherwise he is filling in with his own info, which may be at complete odds with what they need to properly teach this material.
Perhaps you can now see that in fact you did originally refuse me the teaching procedures, and why I feel that what you have detailed in this thread covers only the most basic information, leaving out things which are very necessary in order for a teacher to achieve results in the advertised manner. In short you have supplied only part of the teaching procedure.
Black Sheep
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Without Responding?
D'nice,
You trapped yourself in several mis-quotes concerning my Commentaries, and therefore you have lost all and any credibility.
As for your offer to evaluate my Magic Pill', you really are cute, but seriously deficient and unqualified!.
And let this be advice for anyone else who is given this ridiculous offer of an 'evaluation without a response':
" Not to respond to a criticism or an allegations, is to assume quilt!"
Any future posts D'nice makes concerning my commentaries will go unanswered, not because of assumed quilt, but only because I cannot waste any more of my and the readers' precious time on his childish false misquotes and distortions.
But I do welcome any Questions or critiques from other subscribers on my Magic Pill which is posted as the leading Commentary on this thread.
Black Sheep <d.lanza@netzero.net> Send a 'Yes' for your Savoy Lindy Techniques.
D'nice,
You trapped yourself in several mis-quotes concerning my Commentaries, and therefore you have lost all and any credibility.
As for your offer to evaluate my Magic Pill', you really are cute, but seriously deficient and unqualified!.
And let this be advice for anyone else who is given this ridiculous offer of an 'evaluation without a response':
" Not to respond to a criticism or an allegations, is to assume quilt!"
Any future posts D'nice makes concerning my commentaries will go unanswered, not because of assumed quilt, but only because I cannot waste any more of my and the readers' precious time on his childish false misquotes and distortions.
But I do welcome any Questions or critiques from other subscribers on my Magic Pill which is posted as the leading Commentary on this thread.
Black Sheep <d.lanza@netzero.net> Send a 'Yes' for your Savoy Lindy Techniques.
DanceMentor
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Probably best not to go back and forth TOO much, especially if agreement is not being reached.
Black Sheep
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Evaluating the Magic Pill
D'nice,
Doremouse was a regular subscriber who posted on yehoodi who gave me the same offer to evaluate the Magic Pill just by reading it without testing it on a student and with my promise that I would not respond to her evaluation in any way, the exact devious offer I was given by you D'nice. My response to both offers was, 'NO', basically for the same following reason:
"Any offer to evaluate any program with the promise that I could not respond, is giving the critic carte cblanc to render any distortion to the program that they please without the author having the opportunity to make any corrections of those distortions." That's the kind of offer that the Godfather would advise, 'You must refuse'!
Black Sheep
Magic Pill Savoy Dance Techniques are now available. Just Email me the word, 'ABSOLUTELY' <D.LANZA@NETZERO.NET
D'nice,
Doremouse was a regular subscriber who posted on yehoodi who gave me the same offer to evaluate the Magic Pill just by reading it without testing it on a student and with my promise that I would not respond to her evaluation in any way, the exact devious offer I was given by you D'nice. My response to both offers was, 'NO', basically for the same following reason:
"Any offer to evaluate any program with the promise that I could not respond, is giving the critic carte cblanc to render any distortion to the program that they please without the author having the opportunity to make any corrections of those distortions." That's the kind of offer that the Godfather would advise, 'You must refuse'!
Black Sheep
Magic Pill Savoy Dance Techniques are now available. Just Email me the word, 'ABSOLUTELY' <D.LANZA@NETZERO.NET
Joe in case you failed to read the PM I sent you about a week ago I am dormouse on yehoodi. Everything I posted in this thread was quoted directly from that forum. No embellishment on part. Yehoodi: How can we organize a Lindy Fereration? It starts as the eighth post down. Perhaps you may wish to edit your post above, no apology needed. Of course Yehoodi also has the wonderful feature of noting how mant times someone edits one of their posts and when it was last done.
Why would I lie? My place in todays world wide lindy hop community will not be affected positively or negatively by any interaction I have with you. I post on this forum to pass my spare time (which I admittedly have far too much of), to share information about a genre of dancing I know and love with those who have the same passion, or gve whatever I can to those who may have limited or no exposure to the swing dances. I have no personal stake in this, no pride wrapped up in it. I push no pills or agendas, and to be honest I really don't understand the need you have to do so, but I don't judge you because of it. My way is to enter into exchanges with questions and share as much information as I can with anyone and everyone who asks questions, as often as needed, as mundane or simplistic or oft repeated as they maybe, because questions aren't threatening, they are merely the growing pains of an eager mind. YMMV (Your Milage May Very), but this approach works for me.
Why would I lie? My place in todays world wide lindy hop community will not be affected positively or negatively by any interaction I have with you. I post on this forum to pass my spare time (which I admittedly have far too much of), to share information about a genre of dancing I know and love with those who have the same passion, or gve whatever I can to those who may have limited or no exposure to the swing dances. I have no personal stake in this, no pride wrapped up in it. I push no pills or agendas, and to be honest I really don't understand the need you have to do so, but I don't judge you because of it. My way is to enter into exchanges with questions and share as much information as I can with anyone and everyone who asks questions, as often as needed, as mundane or simplistic or oft repeated as they maybe, because questions aren't threatening, they are merely the growing pains of an eager mind. YMMV (Your Milage May Very), but this approach works for me.
Re: Without Responding?
Ah, criticizing... the difference is obvious. At least he said I am cute. I personally prefer ruggedly handsome, but cute works just fine. They say after all you always hurt the one you love.
Black Sheep said:
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Ah, criticizing... the difference is obvious. At least he said I am cute. I personally prefer ruggedly handsome, but cute works just fine. They say after all you always hurt the one you love.
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