Media Luna (Half Moon)

[Dave Bailey]

They do however offer a separate diploma for AT.

Got a link? I couldn't see one on the site. But then the site is rubbish...

To do this you will need to find a IDTA qualified teacher in AT

Well, yes, but how can you get to be an IDTA qualified teacher in AT without a ITDA teacher training programme in the first place?

I'm not bothered about doing their AT syllabus in terms of dancing. But I'd be interested in learning what teacher training they provide.

But:

But the real rub is that the AT that you will be trained to teach will not be what you want to teach. (thats probabally why there are not to many IDTA AT teachers around).

Yeah, you may be right.

It was unforunate that this year's teachers week at El Corte was the follow up year for people that went the previous year but that means in 2011 the cycle will start again and I suggest that you go on that course (it is normally scheduled for the last week in August), I will let you know once it has been timetabled.

It's a date

 

[bordertangoman]

Got a link? I couldn't see one on the site. But then the site is rubbish...


Well, yes, but how can you get to be an IDTA qualified teacher in AT without a ITDA teacher training programme in the first place?

I'm not bothered about doing their AT syllabus in terms of dancing. But I'd be interested in learning what teacher training they provide.

But:

Yeah, you may be right.


It's a date

lets hope the exchange rate improves.....

 

[Steve Pastor]

and the media luna courtesy of the Castles

This step is practically a double Cortez. The man steps forward with his right foot, holding it two counts The left slides forward one count, and the fight takes the weight for one count; thus four counts have been occupied. The man then steps back with his left, holding it two counts; the right slides back one count, and the left takes the weight for one count. The complete step itself occupies eight counts, but to get the effect the dancers must keep in mind that it must be done smoothly and easily. The position is the same as in the Cortez. The lady's step is, of course, just the opposite. She steps back left, holding it two counts, and then slides the fight back one count; the left takes the weight for one count, repeating the step forward with the right.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/musdifield(DOCID+@lit(M24038))

(my apologies if this is already in the tread. just exploring and sharing)

 

[bordertangoman]

and the media luna courtesy of the Castles

This step is practically a double Cortez. The man steps forward with his right foot, holding it two counts The left slides forward one count, and the fight takes the weight for one count; thus four counts have been occupied. The man then steps back with his left, holding it two counts; the right slides back one count, and the left takes the weight for one count. The complete step itself occupies eight counts, but to get the effect the dancers must keep in mind that it must be done smoothly and easily. The position is the same as in the Cortez. The lady's step is, of course, just the opposite. She steps back left, holding it two counts, and then slides the fight back one count; the left takes the weight for one count, repeating the step forward with the right.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/musdifield(DOCID+@lit(M24038))

(my apologies if this is already in the tread. just exploring and sharing)

followed by knight to QB5, mate.

 

[opendoor]

and the media luna courtesy of the Castles

This step is practically a double Cortez....

..mmh, thought it was one out of that drawer: Salchow, Loop, Flip, Lutz, Axel, or Rittberger...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating_jumps#Common_jumps

 

[salthepal]

FWIW, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say that the enrosque is the same thing as the giro or molinette. I've been taught that the enrosque (AKA the cork screw step) was something you could do while turning, but the turn can be done (and typically is done) without an enrosque. I suspect an enrosque could be done with other moves as well, but it's not something that I do.

I was taught that an enrosque was when you pivoted with both feet on the ground, transferring the weight from one foot to the other. So yeah, you can lead a turn (or giro or molinete)with an enrosque, but I can't see how you'd do an enrosque with turning

 

[dchester]

I was taught that an enrosque was when you pivoted with both feet on the ground, transferring the weight from one foot to the other. So yeah, you can lead a turn (or giro or molinete)with an enrosque, but I can't see how you'd do an enrosque with turning

Yes, the type with weight on both feet are the ones that I can actually do.

There's another variation on it where the weight is only on one foot at any moment in time. It's much more difficult (meaning I suck at them).



This video has them in a couple places (2:10 & 3:00, possibly others too). The 2:10 enrosque is during a mollinette, while the 3:00 ones are done to embellish front ochos (at least I think they are enrosques).

 

[salthepal]

I would say those sweeping moves he does at 3:00 are planeos or lapices (I've heard the same thing being called different things by different Argentinean teachers). As for 2:10, I would say he steps on his right foot (positioning himself to pivot on that right foot) followed by an enrosque (as he pivots, transferring his weight from the right foot to the left foot, thus freeing that right leg) then a lapiz with the right leg as he continues to lead her turn. Does that make sense at all? Basically you are doing an enrosque whenever you are pivoting without stepping.

P.S> We might be falling into the terminology hole, but I justify it by reminding myself that was falling down a hole that led Alice to Wonderland!

 

[Subliminal]

A pivot without the twist is just a pivot. An enrosque is when the leader's free leg is allowed to twist around his standing leg during a turn. This energy can then be released after a weight change in a lapis or planeo to create the fancy embellishment. Enrosque is just the wrapping/crossing part.

I've also heard of the cheaty way you talked about dchester, where weight is on both legs. I use that one too, it's a lot easier.

 

[dchester]

I would say those sweeping moves he does at 3:00 are planeos or lapices (I've heard the same thing being called different things by different Argentinean teachers). As for 2:10, I would say he steps on his right foot (positioning himself to pivot on that right foot) followed by an enrosque (as he pivots, transferring his weight from the right foot to the left foot, thus freeing that right leg) then a lapiz with the right leg as he continues to lead her turn. Does that make sense at all? Basically you are doing an enrosque whenever you are pivoting without stepping.

P.S> We might be falling into the terminology hole, but I justify it by reminding myself that was falling down a hole that led Alice to Wonderland!

I agree that the sweeping moves are planeos or lapices (sp), but I think there also are enrosques (one often follows the other). Some people also call it the cork screw step.

This definition I found (below) states that they only happen with the molinette (which I'm questioning), but other than that, I agree with this definition.

Enrosque — From enroscar - to coil or twist: While the lady dances a molinete, the man pivots on his supporting foot, hooking or coiling the working leg behind or around in front of the supporting leg.
http://www.tejastango.com/terminology.html#E

 

[salthepal]

A pivot without the twist is just a pivot

I'd say you can't pivot without twisting

An enrosque is when the leader's free leg is allowed to twist around his standing leg during a turn. This energy can then be released after a weight change in a lapis or planeo to create the fancy embellishment.

Sounds right.

 

[newbie]

I've also heard of the cheaty way you talked about dchester, where weight is on both legs. I use that one too, it's a lot easier.

I'd never consider doing this, though I remember being shown this twist with the weight on both feet, by no less than Carlos Perez. Yet there is still some difficulty the way Carlos does it, so it is not completely cheating.

Feet together
Heels up
Twist
Heels down

The feet stay joined all the time.

 

[LadyLeader]

This video has them in a couple places (2:10 & 3:00, possibly others too). The 2:10 enrosque is during a mollinette, while the 3:00 ones are done to embellish front ochos (at least I think they are enrosques).

That was a great video; his enrosques were smooth and with variety!

His closed enrosques (my expression) is crossed from back (2.10) and from front (3.48 ) The last one is a true beauty when he finds his way around her fot!

When creating open enrosques you start turning when legs are separated collecting and crossing your feet just at the end. I think you could do the both above also as open.

However the strongest enrosque flavor for me has the ones at 2.45. He is using pointed fot when turning around. Great jobb!

 

[LadyLeader]

I think there's a difference of the turning schema for pivot and enrosque. For pivot all the turning movements are to the same direction (can't came up with anything else...) and the twist is created by the delay. If shoulders are leading then the hips are late.

For enrosques the shoulders are turning regularly giving the lead. Hips are moving freely, isolated from the shoulder movements. Twisting is more intensive than for a pivot and hips often move against the shoulder direction.

 

[Angel HI]

I can't believe the lengthy discussion on this.

Guys, an enrosque is a spiral (where one leg wraps, or coils, around the other) regardless of which technique one uses to get there (and, there are several). Now, if the question is; How to do each style or variation?, OK.