Mixed tandas

..social dance isn't a performance.
You're not quite honest: as you've already admitted somewhere else that social dance is the ultimate performance discipline. Of course, it's not about accuracy, like with BR. It's not about entertainment, like in stage tango. It's about the credibility of the individual within their community. Everything of your social atom is at stake. You observe, and at the same time, you are observed. That's a form of relational process ontology.
 
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It's so bizarre: they are willing to give their current partner a less than optimal experience in order to attract a future partner! I can only assume it's insecurity, seeking external validation for something they don't feel themselves.
Everyone believes that the way they do things is right, or justified, or that they can't do it any other way.
If you don't understand that behavior, can't comprehend it, then that's your personal shortcoming.
 
Well, given Asian ladies on average literally take up less space (shorter and smaller BMI on average) ...

It's actually a serious comment. Could your perceptions be more a function of size? I'm going to think about it through that lens for myself.
Followers from there – visitors, and resident and naturalized expats – on the whole seem to have less presence, almost as though they want to take up less space in the dance, or toaccessorize the leader rather than be the leader's equal in all things. I don't know enough about the many and diverse cultures of East Asia to say why
 
One thing that's easy to misread is that, for example my partner I might do moves that could be read as performance moves, but we could primarily just be doing them for ourselves, because they feel good, or fit with our musical interpretation.

I've seen some videos where I didn't know I was being recorded, and they can look showy even though I didn't care if anyone was watching or not. Large movements (even walking) done with good technique + clean timing + appropriate musical context just inherently look like they could have been taken from a performance.

Also, there are times when it's acceptable to show off to the audience a bit - if people are watching intently for example. Also some of the dancers with theatrical background find it natural to interact with spectators a bit. The focus is still I'd say over 95% on the partner in my experience.

If it's an actual performance then this should be reversed and in my opinion at least 50% of the focus should be on connecting with the audience - I don't think anyone really does that in a milonga.
 
At my January set, I announced this final tanda. Honestly, I wouldn't normally want to dance to such music, but many couples did til the very last note of the final piece. Even though I mixed two orchestras, the lush orchestral sound is quite consistent.
I found this solution interesting because the first notes of the medley already hint at La Cumparsita, but then it transitions to Caminito and Tiempos Viejos. (At the request of the female regulars, I play three-piece tandas.)

1) Potpourri de Tango - Oscar Macri & Rodolfo Lemos (Sassone)
2) Inspiración - Instrumental (Troilo)
3) La Cumparsita - Instrumental (Troilo)
The Troilo Inspiraçion is very interesting. Beautiful piece of music. Dancing, not so sure.
 
...Beautiful piece of music. Dancing, not so sure.
Sometimes I get the impression that music plays no role for many dancers. You put something in front of them and they immediately jump on it. For me, it's always been different: only certain pieces of music lure me onto the dance floor.
...not real experience. ???
The context should make it clear that I was referring to physical experiences in daily life.
 
One thing that's easy to misread is that, for example my partner I might do moves that could be read as performance moves, but we could primarily just be doing them for ourselves, because they feel good, or fit with our musical interpretation.

I've seen some videos where I didn't know I was being recorded, and they can look showy even though I didn't care if anyone was watching or not. Large movements (even walking) done with good technique + clean timing + appropriate musical context just inherently look like they could have been taken from a performance.

Also, there are times when it's acceptable to show off to the audience a bit - if people are watching intently for example. Also some of the dancers with theatrical background find it natural to interact with spectators a bit. The focus is still I'd say over 95% on the partner in my experience.

If it's an actual performance then this should be reversed and in my opinion at least 50% of the focus should be on connecting with the audience - I don't think anyone really does that in a milonga.
One of my regular partners does so many performance style moves with me, they feel great, they are done musically, the technical challenge is very satisfying, and I can trust him that he never puts other people or me in harms way. But what goes through my head is ‘I hope nobody was watching, because I don’t want them to think this is my thing.’
 
Sometimes I get the impression that music plays no role for many dancers. You put something in front of them and they immediately jump on it. For me, it's always been different: only certain pieces of music lure me onto the dance floor.

The context should make it clear that I was referring to physical experiences in daily life.
As for not paying attention to the music, I agree entirely. Many, most, dancers don't really care. Why, I have no idea. I know that there are things that make me want to dance and others that leave me indifferent.

As for context, of course, I understood. My response simply stated the fact that the abrazo is an end in itself. It's why most of us dance.
 
One of my regular partners does so many performance style moves with me, they feel great, they are done musically, the technical challenge is very satisfying, and I can trust him that he never puts other people or me in harms way. But what goes through my head is ‘I hope nobody was watching, because I don’t want them to think this is my thing.’
If a couple can truly dance escenario steps musically while respecting floorcraft, all discussion of "should" is over. It's their tango! By being musical, they aren't dissing the (long-dead, but still to be honored) orquesta; by respecting floorcraft, they aren't endangering other dancers. Shoot, I'm probably known to be Mr. Boring, but I confess that when the space is available and the music is amenable, I sometimes add movements that are definitively not "social" in the conservative sense.

The discussion of what other people think isn't that couple's to have, though. People will think what they think. They might think you're showing off and not want to dance with you; if so, they probably won't believe you when you say you did it for the music and each other, not for onlookers. They might think you're into the showy stuff and line up to dance more showy stuff with you; this can lead to regrets if their technical mastery is subpar. They might not have an opinion because they don't register vocabulary, only technique or musicality or elegance or whatever (I know one tanguero who cares only about pretty feet).
As for not paying attention to the music, I agree entirely. Many, most, dancers don't really care. Why, I have no idea. I know that there are things that make me want to dance and others that leave me indifferent.
There are different levels of "paying attention to the music," though.

I like some music much better than other music. Above all, however, I like some partners and some floor conditions much better than others. If I have the chance to dance with a beloved partner on a spacious floor, I'll jump on it even if my least-favorite tunes are playing (e.g., plinky-plink stuff from the 1920s, or valses that sound like circus carousel music).

This definitely does not mean that I am not paying attention to the music! On the contrary, it means I'm paying extra attention to the music. I want to make a favorite person happy and I want to indulge myself in musical expression (potentially including a sneaky escenario step or two) that a crowded floor cannot accommodate. Since I'm not in love with the music, doing this means I must dig deep into its structure to find ways to respect it but dance interestingly despite its limitations. So, I'm working extra hard on being musical . . . which means I'm paying extra attention to the music.

Honestly, the least-musical dancing I see is from people dancing to their personal Top 40 of tango, which they love so much and dance so often that they aren't actively listening to it, leading to sloppiness.
My response simply stated the fact that the abrazo is an end in itself. It's why most of us dance.
I somewhat agree, because above I wrote, "I like some partners much better than others," "beloved partner," and "favorite person." Clearly, that's at least in part about the abrazo. However, it's also about a given partner's attitude as a human being, their level of technical skill so that "musical expression" and big displacements to fill an empty floor are actually possible, and of course their musicality – I favor followers who listen to and respond to the music over those who receive all music through my ears and body. So, I'd never claim to dance for the abrazo alone, but I'd put a nice abrazo on the wish list, and I'd be willing to abandon it to get to dance a technically challenging tanda with a nice human being on a spacious floor.
 
Since I'm not in love with the music, doing this means I must dig deep into its structure to find ways to respect it but dance interestingly despite its limitations.
That matches my own experience with what I would describe as the plinky-plonky 1920s stuff. Until relatively recently, I didn't dance this at all, but now with the right partner, I can find ways to express it despite the fact that it will never be music I love.
 
That matches my own experience with what I would describe as the plinky-plonky 1920s stuff. Until relatively recently, I didn't dance this at all, but now with the right partner, I can find ways to express it despite the fact that it will never be music I love.
I liken it to having a meal with someone I like, in a city I like, at a moment when I have lots of free time, despite my commensal's choice of cuisine being very low on my list. I will happily struggle with a menu in such circumstances.
 
I liken it to having a meal with someone I like, in a city I like, at a moment when I have lots of free time, despite my commensal's choice of cuisine being very low on my list. I will happily struggle with a menu in such circumstances.

It's more like the restaurant is obviously not good, but it's the only place to get some food. We will both probably poke fun at the questionable cooking, service etc.
 

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