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...I’ll search for a practice partner…such great idea
Sorry, but I'd like to emphasize something different from the previous speaker. Social tango is precisely about NOT having a dedicated dance partner. Admittedly, as a beginner, you need one. But the goal is to become independent. I'll repeat myself, it's more important to build a network of like-minded people.
 
Sorry, but I'd like to emphasize something different from the previous speaker. Social tango is precisely about NOT having a dedicated dance partner. Admittedly, as a beginner, you need one. But the goal is to become independent. I'll repeat myself, it's more important to build a network of like-minded people.
This is true, but while some very fortunate or gifted people go from "beginner" to "social tango" in weeks to months, I've observed the average from the point of view of teaching assistant and assistant teacher. I'd say that on average, this gap is measured in years, and you might never cross it without a practice partner. The important thing isn't "avoid practice partners," but "once you start getting lots of invitations socially, accept them and try to learn from the experience that not everybody is like your practice partner."

More succinctly: Always dancing with the same person is risky because you may come to assume that everyone dances like them, but not dancing with anybody is far, far worse.
 
the ratio of follows to leaders here in Essex is 5/6 follows to 1 lead.
What's wrong with Essex men (ignoring stereotypes)?

Small groups can appear worse! Occasionally at a milonga it has seemed that there's a significant surplus of followers, but it has balanced out later.

I have heard of one group/milonga which seemed to attract more followers. An acquaintance went to one milonga there to find he was greatly outnumbered by followers for the evening. It put him off going again:oops:
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Nothing wrong with decorations (adornos), except when there's too many - which begs the question: When is it too many? I recall, and avoid, the hyperactive follower where every step seemed to have an adorno, such that I could simply have provided support leaving her to do the moves.


Have you had other teachers? Or travelled to other workshops with other teachers, or visiting teachers? Perhaps some. Argentinians sofa-surfing through?

In a dance with no standards, choose teachers wisely - and recognise their limits. Fortunately we've had extremely good teachers as we've progressed. But, until you've sampled some others, and had reviews from people they've taught, it can be difficult to judge. Our initial lessons weren't, let's say, constructive, but that teacher left. Their successors proved much better. We also had the advantage of travelling and spending time in other locations for lessons. Also workshops with some good visiting teachers. Which led us to those we'd probably consider our 'coaches', and also to recognise some who weren't great.

You do need to find someone, or a group, prepared to act as a dance partner for practice and for such events which may be role-balanced. And, I guess that's where group lessons come in for social contacts. I'm in a fortunate minority where my wife and I have danced, and practiced, together for many years in AT and other dance firms. However there are still people from earlier group classes who we'd practice with.
 
However, she cannot control who asks her pupils to dance at Milongas and the ratio of follows to leaders here in Essex is 5/6 follows to 1 lead.

Well, that's probably the biggest problem. It would be worth trying out the leader role and seeing if it's something you might enjoy.
 
In the 2nd half of this post I wrote about advantages older Tango ladies can have:
Tango Diaries

Apologies if any of this states the obvious! Here are some ideas:
  • Be sure you are looking around during the cortinas
  • As I go about the ronda, if I see a follower give me a smile, or do a little clap of appreciation for a fancy element (rare, but sometimes happens), I'm much more likely to ask that person.
  • I remember a newcomer to both a milonga and to Tango one night. She had average looks, and was a beginner in dance skill. Her secret weapon was gazing at the dancers with a look of awe and enjoyment. She danced a lot that night!
  • The contacts you make in group classes are valuable.
  • At classes, ask which milongas people are going to, and advertise which ones you are going to.
  • Compliment your dance partner after and during the tanda. I really appreciate little comments like "I have never done that before!" or "I know I could trust you to do that step" or "Do that again!" I'm much more likely to ask that follower again.
  • This overlaps my post link: Pay 100% attention to your dance partner.
  • Ask the event organizer or an experienced Tanguera who would be a good bet to ask.
  • Wear a knee length dress or skirt. If I see someone I don't know, I'll assume they know Tango better if they wear a dress (since the vast majority of Tangueras do that), plus I feel they put in a little more effort to making the night special.
  • If a lady is wearing flats I assume she wants to lead.
  • Sit with a couple once in a while. I sometimes do this if I'm not sure if the lady is dancing with others that night or not. I have broken the ice and had some great tandas this way. I have also found that initial impression distant ice queens are actually warm, nice people once you've broken the ice and socialized a bit.
  • My dear wife is very good at getting dances. She does not sit with others.
  • I have noticed the successful older ladies will often note my wedding ring and ask if my wife is present, and ask me to point her out. They will often then make a point to talk with her. I like that friendliness.
  • Volunteer for a festival. You'll meet many nice people that way, there will be outgoing people willing to dance with new faces, and classes to network with others.
  • Ask your instructor if you are doing what feels like a Tango embrace or a Ballroom one, and work on instinctively doing the Tango one.
  • I think it is fun when dancers walk onto the floor to the beat of the song, and walk off the floor to the beat of the cortina song.
  • I definitely agree that some milongas are more friendly than others!
  • That I have seen, many/most of the younger leaders seem happy to dance with older ladies.
  • Don't worry about mistakes. Also, let the leader fix mistakes.
  • Listen to Tango music, and learn what the lyrics mean in popular Tango songs. It's impressive to me when someone says something like "This song is about a white dove flying above the home of a lost love" or "Crying for the women" or "Old, drunk, has-been Tango singer." If you really want to go for broke, learn Spanish. A thought I had is if (when, per my dear wife) I go to Buenos Aires, I would do lessons in both Tango and the Spanish language. Sidetrack: Are there Spanish lessons with a bent towards Tango dance lyrics/dance words?
  • My eyes are a bit narrow. People seemed to not be able to tell when I was trying to cabeceo/mirada. I now open my eyes wide to do cabeceo/mirada, and that seems to work much better.
 
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However, she cannot control who asks her pupils to dance at Milongas and the ratio of follows to leaders here in Essex is 5/6 follows to 1 lead.
This is crucial point. We have another thread here about solo followers encouragement to dancing AT. And this is result if you not live in big metropolis - Milongas without leaders. As I know, in every new pair of beginners is one eager to dance (not olny AT) and second one is pushed to try it. Often (my case as well), it turns out after some time that the one who has no idea what is tango about, is progressing more and starts to like dancing more then originator.
If ladies just give it up, becasue partner is coach potato, start as single followers, partners never enter society. Lot of these "tango widows" I see sitting on Milongas in row, without dancing tanda for hours.
My advice to Alora is simple. Look for small group, well role balanced milonga and try to join. Accept your age and visit Milonga with leaders at your age or older. Look for some Tango partner to practice AT together and visit Milongas together. There is partner exchange "trade" working in our Milongas - If I am dancing with lady paired with some other guy, I can expect he is going to ask for tanda my partner sooner or later. I use it often, when we visit Milonga where nobody knows us. Otherwise my wife would be sitting or dancing only with me.
 
I appreciate that tango can take years to master but I appear to be caught in the ‘not good enough to dance with but can’t get any better’ loop
Just a quick note to say I recall that stage very very vividly and that I wish I had a supportive online group like this at that time.
Don't let age be a factor. I will soon be 58 years old. My favorite dance partners are all 10-25 years older than me.
That’s easy enough for a guy to say. If these women are favorites, they are probably already good dancers and the age doesn’t matter as much.
Always dancing with the same person is risky because you may come to assume that everyone dances like them, but not dancing with anybody is far, far worse.
Agreed.

My fist advice would be to work on technique. If ratios are too bad, befriend a female leader and maybe learn to lead at the same time and take turns. This builds experience so that you are seen on the floor.
 
  • Wear a knee length dress or skirt. If I see someone I don't know, I'll assume they know Tango better if they wear a dress (since the vast majority of Tangueras do that), plus I feel they put in a little more effort to making the night special.
  • If a lady is wearing flats I assume she wants to lead.
Sorry, but I think this is outdated.
I even notice the opposite, that some women try too hard with the expensive tango specific attire to hide the fact that they are not very good dancers. Better to invest that money in learning. (It’s like the people with the best skiing equipment are often the worst skiers.)

Flats are now very common for followers and I know plenty of female leads who lead in heels.
 
Flats are now very common for followers and I know plenty of female leads who lead in heels.
Speaking of shoes, I am old school guy. I accept flats if woman is tall 185+cm. Now in our community there is more young women converting from Zouk to Tango and they dance in Zouk flats. It is awfull, comparison with proper Tango shoes. It is not about heels. Every girl in our classes, with the same shoe size like my wife, can try her Bandoleras/Tangoleras on 6cm heels. They are surprised of such difference between normal ballroom lady dance shoes and these Italian Tango shoes.
Fact is, when I am on Milonga and see lady I never dance before, first I look to her shoes. If she has proper Tango shoes, I immediatelly know she takes this dance seriously and we can dance together.
 
thank you everyone for your help you’ve been so kind.

I will put your advice and ideas to good use

it was the ‘’Miranda’ I was trying to use to get a dance not the Murano..

Apologies
 

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