post competition disorder

This discussion is a tangent, so I've collapsed it.
If the level separation is working properly, that 20-30% overlap is at the bottom of the field in the upper level, since they are the part who are, in that level, competing "up".
That's a big IF, and it seldom holds strongly true in my experience. Some couples "double down" and use the lower event as warmup. Some "double up" and toss a Hail Mary at a contest they don't really belong in (e.g., me). And some refuse to double for any number of reasons, such as conserving energy or general principle (as 10-dance partner used to do). Moreover, folks use different criteria to decide what their "natural level" is, and what therefore constitutes dancing up or down.

Because of this, I tend to ignore doubling as an indicator of anything. When I am handicapping a field, I look at past results for individual couples over many events and try to identify trends, and use that instead.

The only reason I mentioned doublers at all here is that their significant presence means that if I was accurate in handicapping the lower event, I should also have done a pretty good job handicapping the higher.

And I was pretty good in handicapping Novice Smooth; I predicted placement between 3rd and 5th. In Pre-Champ Smooth, I predicted 7th to 11th. But a roughly equal performance was in the center of my Novice prediction and the very bottom of my Pre-Champ prediction, even though most of the "tossup" matches were the same people. Hence my search for other factors and interpretations. In Standard and Latin, I felt there were clear reasons why we did not fall into similar places in my prediction window between the two levels, so no additional consideration was necessary.

(sidenote: my method of handicapping is very basic. I identify couples that I think I have no business defeating, couples that I think I should defeat 9 times in 10, and all else I list as "tossup." That is how I calculate my placement ranges.)
With respect to the results in the higher level, the first thing that jumps to mind given those circumstances is that you might not have been as warmed up for the first event as some of the other couples. Some of them probably stayed to practice during any dinner break; I assume you had dinner? And if I'm reading this correctly, your wife perhaps had no events during the daytime session in which to warm up? My experience is that better warm up contributes to better placement - presumably due to better dancing - even when the "feel" is the same.
Doubtful on warmup. Designing and executing effective warmups is a particular strength of mine throughout my athletic career, and I try to make sure my partners get equal value from theirs.

Plus, in Smooth, we would have been "colder" for the lower event, which was our first contest Sunday morning vs Saturday in the early evening. Especially since we had a few General Dance breaks on Saturday to test the floor and crowd.
I also suspect one other possible cause in this case. To get marked by a judge, the judge first has to see you, then has to decide you are good enough to mark, all in the course of a few seconds. In a final, the judges typically try hard to look at all the couples, and the deciding factor is how good look are once they see you. In preliminary rounds, especially if they are crowded as is often the case at collegiate events, the limiting factor can be whether the judges see you in the first place.

If your wife is still wearing the black ballgown, I would expect that to hurt you more in a preliminary round than in a final. In addition, if I recall correctly, your choreography includes a significant amount of closed position work - maybe to meet USA Dance rules, which might not apply in collegiate competitions? - which can contribute to quality, but doesn't tend to draw the eye as much. In the lower level, your dancing was good enough to get marked through anyway, and in the final, you were seen anyway. In the higher level, you might have needed more flash - including ballgown color - to get marked.
All valid. The only reason I might question "visibility" as a factor is that the distribution of recalls in semifinal among the doublers does not line up. I would assume that the things that made us easily visible on the lower floor would make us proportionally visible on the higher. Instead, we "disappeared" relative to our peers. My instinct would be to put that down to variables between performances, rather than static things like choreo or costume.

Honestly, another simple explanation is that we really *were* the same in both events, but our colleagues brought more passion to the higher event and outdid us. Because not caring much about results has both an upside and a downside: on the positive, nerves never cause you to crash & burn; but on the negative, you don't experience the adrenaline rush that can push you to transcend your usual limits. And I've know lots of athletes who bring more passion to the harder contests, and rise above themselves as a result. Dancers are likely no different.

In the end, my conclusion about "noisy results in the middle" is based on this phenomenon. The whole field moves about, and not just us.
 
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When you found out that another student gifted the pro a 5 digit gift after the comp as a "thank you". Is this normal?? I know it's their money, not mine so not my business. But ouch!....unfortunately I'm not mega rich. Even if I am that rich, I feel like doing that... it's like I'm so insecure about my dance ability that I need to bribe a pro
 
When you found out that another student gifted the pro a 5 digit gift after the comp as a "thank you". Is this normal?? I know it's their money, not mine so not my business. But ouch!....unfortunately I'm not mega rich. Even if I am that rich, I feel like doing that... it's like I'm so insecure about my dance ability that I need to bribe a pro
Personally, I feel like it's out of proportion and of bad taste, unless the Pro has some exclusive deal and, in that sense, a personal relationship with the student. But I'm European.
 
It's like demeaning to the dance sport
Yes, that. Maybe I'm coming in with my athlete background, but that's just not how gratitude is done. And if you add to this that often the Am is older than the Pro and the entire dancesport is over sexualized thanks to TV shows and people's baseline assumptions... It's just not right, in my view. I'm sure there are some wealthy Am dancers who genuinely just wish to enhance the lives of their Pros with the absolute best intentions, I just don't think it's the right way to do it, because the gesture either comes across as insecure or showy, with overtones of bribery and something vaguely yet definitely inappropriate. (Vaguely because I cannot precisely define it and definitely because the presence of something inappropriate is nevertheless certainly present).
 
I have heard/seen many am students giving their pro a small gift after a comp. (although $5 just seems tacky) Maybe a buy them a drink at the after-party would be nicer?

Just wondering how many people do this? I think there was some discussion a while ago, but I don't have the desire to do a search.

I know my pro gets Christmas presents. I gave him cookies last year, and someone else gave him some candy that he was sharing with everyone, and he told me about other things, but I can't recall. (I give small presents to those that help me during the year, hair stylist, garbage men, lawn care, etc.)
 
Studio mini-match was all day Saturday. I'm still processing everything. Even at a relatively laid-back in-house performance event, where the judges only give out proficiency scores, the atmosphere both on and off the floor feels really charged to me, and mostly not in a good way. And it's infectious.

So I'm trying to figure out:
  • how I actually feel about the quality of my dancing that day, separated from/without regard to the energy I was picking up from everyone else in the room (including spectators)
  • whether the way I FELT about my dancing is reflected in how it LOOKED to outsiders (haven't posted any videos yet, though)
  • to what extent my dancing was impacted by the tiniest hint of disapproval I felt from Pro (whether real or imagined)
Things to ponder....

P.S. Regardless, I felt REALLY good about the way I did my hair & makeup, lol.
 
So much fun at Windy City!

My sister wheeled my mom into watch rhythm on Thursday. I dance Bronze in Rhythm and we are still working on me being grounded, not looking down yada, yada. Pro and I were both bothered by my movement-- and we'd made a change. The change stuck on when I move back on my right leg, but I'm not doing it correctly on the left and the "current" mistake was causing a not-too-severe but sharp pain under my right knee. So we dropped the two bolero single entries and switched.

One of the switches was to do an "Open Bronze Cha-Cha"; we both laughed because clearly we were going to do our closed routine. We danced it while Mom was there. We had no clue if we came in 1 out o 1 or 1 out of 5.... We just told Mom it's a 1! She was happy. (We were too-- but it was 1 out of 1. :) )

I was happy to come in 3rd in both my multies for Rhythm. Yeah... I'd like to be further along. But Rhythm pro used to be Country pro but we switched to NDCA for... reasons... We know what we are working on. I felt pretty good.

Smooth day, I have open routines. I have not learned closed silver. Unlike some people moving from Bronze to Silver, my open routine is not a closed silver routine danced in Bronze. It's can't be entered in Open Bronze and then Closed Silver. I don't want to be working on two smooth routines. Because I only have open routines, Smooth pro insists I must dance the VW routine and I am perfectly willing to lose, we sometime enter things... well.. competitions other people would never enter. ( Example of a bit "weird": At Snow Ball, we entered silver and "open"-- even though placing anything at all in Open was hopeless. That got me two 4 dance competitions-- I don't have energy to do 3. So no bronze even though Bronze & Silver would be more sane. Standing waiting to go on in Open, I looked at the ladies I'd seen dancing, laughed to myself and just said "Dance my best! Hope for maybe 6/7-- but you know, someone has to be last." It was oddly nice to have "no pressure". I danced my best; yes, I was 7/7. And I'm pretty sure I won my 7th place fair and square. Still, I proud of myself! And I did not get all sevens from all the judges-- so that was an accomplishemnt. :) For references I was also last in Silver open at Snow ball. I was also proud of myself-- and I had the distinction of (a) not being any judges "1" in any dance but also not being any judges "worst" mark in any dance. I think there were 4 of us... so no 4s. My main goal has been "get in a good head space"; in that I succeeded. The not having any judge think I was the worst in any dance was icing on the cake. :) )

For Windi city competition, I went for "not weird" and entered Bronze Open SR -- even though it doesn't have VW. I also entered Silver Open SR which was (WTFVW).

In Bronze Open I did NOT wipe out the competition in the singles. This was not unexpected. I had felt I danced my best in most of those singles. (Well... not all. I totally flubbed up in one set of heats when I suddenly for no apparent reason just did NOT do a particular choreographed step at all. )

Still in singles, I didn't come in last. Seconds and thirds. (One first I think-- VW?)

Naturally, I was a little nervous getting ready for the Bronze multi because in my head "it counts". I was being rated against people at my level. Hope springs eternal... but with hope comes some nervousness. I danced-- I thought I did well. Stil, I was then shocked when they called the results for the multi-- first! And First in all dances. I am not used to this. And of course, I hadn't expected it. I almost cried. (But I held it in... couldn't mess up the make up after all!) Smooth pro said he almost cried.

I should add: I now know enough locals that I had friend cheering me on 3 out of 4 walls. (The fourth wall was the judges; they don't exactly stand there clapping. They do, after all, have clip boards in their hands. :) )

In Siler I danced the exact same routines; I felt mostly equally good (except for VW where I muffed something). The ladies are of higher caliber, so my goal was "not last". So I got 3rd out of 5 in Silver. Happy Dance!
 

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