Returning to the dance studio safely (covid-19)

They are already open across Europe and in other parts of the US.
Just to throw in, they may be open or opening on mainland Europe, but in the UK (geographically Europe, but out on the unfashionable western fringes) they're not. As yet there are no plans announced for them (but that's not unexpected). Pubs, restaurants and hairdressers only opened today - except in cities where lockdown has been extended, or in those countries of the UK where that's not yet been approved.

My local Saturday Dance should have been tonight - I think they're now looking at October as a possibility.

'Flabbergasted' doesn't even begin to describe the view over there, nor how bad it is here compared with further east.
 
Dance studios are are re-opening in NYC this month. They are already open across Europe and in other parts of the US.

NYC has a very low case count, percent positivity, hospitalization rate, etc. The same can't be said for a lot of other parts of the US.

Also - just because something is open or allowed to occur doesn't make it safe. In the US, with each governor left to their own devices, and then some cities, counties, etc, varying on top of that, there are a wide range of restrictions or lack of restrictions from place to place, and this doesn't correlate well with where the virus is spreading rapidly in each place.

To use a non-dance example, a neighboring state opened indoor dining, and full capacity indoor retail much earlier than my state, even in counties with case statistics similar to our worst counties. Was indoor dining and retail safer on one side of the state border than the other? Was one state too early, or the other too late in loosening restrictions? Or both too early? Or both too restrictive? Is indoor dining safe at all? We don't know yet is the short answer. And so we discuss.
 
A 4th of July post from one of the local studios around here. The basic jist is that we need to be thankful for what we had previously taken for granted... such as the power of a full contact waltz. Not doable right now, but....

 
NYC has a very low case count, percent positivity, hospitalization rate, etc. The same can't be said for a lot of other parts of the US.

I wouldn't use NYC as a success story. The reason that NYC has a low case count now is because it's probably approaching herd immunity. (Yes, I'm aware this statement will probably cause more 'discussion').

The numbers between NY/NJ and CA/TX/FL are not proportional at all.
NY cases per 1 million: 22000
NJ cases per 1 million: 20000
CA cases per 1 million: 6500
TX cases per 1 million: 7000
FL cases per 1 million: 8900

NY and NJ death per 1 million: 1700
CA death per 1 million: 170
TX death per 1 million: 95
FL death per 1 million: 175

Source: worldometers
 
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If you guys are going to go into the granular in European countries, then do the courtesy of doing the same for the US, instead of condemning the entire country for behaving badly.
 
I wouldn't use NYC as a success story. The reason that NYC has a low case count now is because it's probably approaching herd immunity. (Yes, I'm aware this statement will probably cause more 'discussion').

The numbers between NY/NJ and CA/TX/FL are not proportional at all.
NY cases per 1 million: 22000
NJ cases per 1 million: 20000
CA cases per 1 million: 6500
TX cases per 1 million: 7000
FL cases per 1 million: 8900

NY and NJ death per 1 million: 1700
CA death per 1 million: 170
TX death per 1 million: 95
FL death per 1 million: 175

Source: worldometers

Give it time, the other states may yet catch up to NYC (though I sure hope they don't, they shouldn't, now that we know more, have more testing, etc, but it's still quite possible for us to mess that up). I meant new cases, current test positivity rate, etc. The kind of cases that can spread to other people now. Not how many cases they have had. I'm well aware NYC got hit very hard. But they are doing a lot better now. Hoping they can hang on to that.
 
I wouldn't use NYC as a success story. The reason that NYC has a low case count now is because it's probably approaching herd immunity. (Yes, I'm aware this statement will probably cause more 'discussion').

The numbers between NY/NJ and CA/TX/FL are not proportional at all.
NY cases per 1 million: 22000
NJ cases per 1 million: 20000
CA cases per 1 million: 6500
TX cases per 1 million: 7000
FL cases per 1 million: 8900

NY and NJ death per 1 million: 1700
CA death per 1 million: 170
TX death per 1 million: 95
FL death per 1 million: 175

Source: worldometers
Seems to be the leading cause of death right now. While I hope you are right about this herd immunity more evidence is needed to support this theory. Right now the evidence points to a growing threat once again. The death rate is not rising yet but previous results indicate we could see a growing death rate following rises in cases and hospitalizations.
 
The results have been anything but the same. The rest of the world is appalled at our handling of it. It’s part of the reason they are restricting travel from the US to the EU.


Dumbfounded that we're handling it similarly? Or dumbfounded that we're handling it differently? The results have certainly been about the same.
 
There has been almost 200k deaths in Europe vs 132k deaths in the US
And Europe (740 million) has twice the population of the US (328 million).

It's hard when looking at numbers don't fit narratives of how badly the US is doing vs Europe.

The Northeast states and Europe are looking better than new hot spots because they are ahead of the curve and didn't flatten it quickly enough.
 
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It's hard when looking at numbers don't fit narratives of how badly the US is doing vs Europe.

The Northeast states and Europe are looking better than new hot spots because they are ahead of the curve and didn't flatten it quickly enough.
Yes. The big contrast is between the US and the EU, at about 400 deaths per million each, and the Pacific Rim, at less than 10 deaths per million. There was also a big contrast in policies: the US and EU went with shutdowns but masked late; the Pacific Rim masked early and didn't shut down.

However, there's another difference, too. The Pacific Rim is all island and peninsular states, situations that make isolation from the rest of the world relatively easy. In contrast, the geography and legal structure in the US makes it very difficult to close internal borders. In retrospect I think it's clear that one of the reasons New England did so badly was because of inability to control disease flow from New York; I doubt many people are abiding by 14 day quarantines after interstate travel even where it is supposedly required. It's slightly easier to close borders in Europe, but not as easy as for the Pacific Rim.

I tried to figure out whether there were cancellations of ballroom events in the Pacific Rim, and I couldn't find any evidence for them, but I couldn't tell for sure. The English language site for the Asia Pacific championships has no cancellation notice, but it doesn't look like it has recent updates either. I think I'd need to read Chinese and Japanese language web sites to find out more.
 
Yes. The big contrast is between the US and the EU, at about 400 deaths per million each, and the Pacific Rim, at less than 10 deaths per million. There was also a big contrast in policies: the US and EU went with shutdowns but masked late; the Pacific Rim masked early and didn't shut down.

However, there's another difference, too. The Pacific Rim is all island and peninsular states, situations that make isolation from the rest of the world relatively easy. In contrast, the geography and legal structure in the US makes it very difficult to close internal borders. In retrospect I think it's clear that one of the reasons New England did so badly was because of inability to control disease flow from New York; I doubt many people are abiding by 14 day quarantines after interstate travel even where it is supposedly required. It's slightly easier to close borders in Europe, but not as easy as for the Pacific Rim.

I tried to figure out whether there were cancellations of ballroom events in the Pacific Rim, and I couldn't find any evidence for them, but I couldn't tell for sure. The English language site for the Asia Pacific championships has no cancellation notice, but it doesn't look like it has recent updates either. I think I'd need to read Chinese and Japanese language web sites to find out more.
After some research, I find there have not been any significant dance events in China since late last year. Perhaps there have been some small local events with people dancing by themselves, but not any significant events.
 

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