Returning to the dance studio safely (covid-19)

The Pacific Rim is all island and peninsular states, situations that make isolation from the rest of the world relatively easy.
There are major differences within the European region as well. Britain (England, Wales, Scotland within the UK) is an island. You'd think it would be easy wouldn't you? We quarantined (with no checks) AFTER our apparent peak, don't really check incoming, and export to other countries (e.g. New Zealand). Management, or lack of, also plays a part.

There are obviously major differences in approach within Europe, e.g. Sweden (now on the 'red' list, and considered by some there not to have done well), versus Germany. And then look at Italy and Spain. An interesting view is that of 'dark matter', i.e. there's something which marks out some of the population, but as yet we don't know what. It's not just wearing a face covering to protect others, although that helps. It's not just staying at home when asked, or isolating. Testing doesn't stop the spread unless people act accordingly. This factor may be part of the reason why BAME people are badly hit. There are other reasons, but it's not just social status - these are also doctors, nurses, care workers, etc. Of course it could be degree of exposure to the virus, which seems to be the major factor. This is where it affects dance. 10-15 mins in close proximity to someone who's infected without some protection (i.e. them wearing a facial covering) is likely to pass on some infection - more so than passing someone in the street. Sure numbers infected are going down. You're not going to get several thousand at a dance event, but it just needs that one who is infected to be there.

We're going to have to learn to live with this until some vaccine or remedy appears - and of course there is the anti-vaxxer movement to counter that. Given sufficiently low infection rates, a well ventilated room, or better an open-air space, a small (less than 20-30) attendance, and everyone wearing some appropriate facial covering to minimise their chance of infecting me, then I might consider dancing there with a known, safe, partner. I'm also going to assume the place is cleaned and disinfected, which sadly could prove difficult in some venues, and that people use appropriate personal hygiene by washing their hands to minimise spread by what they touch. I'd also like there to be some registration, testing and tracing system in place.

That may well be the situation in your locale. Generally, for places to the west of Europe, it doesn't look like it yet. Remember that freedom brings responsibility to others. To dance you need to be alive. I can wait until the situation is more stable.
 
I have been following a Latin dance studio and a ballet dance studio in Beijing, China since last year. Both studios have two campuses in Beijing. I know they were closed since February until sometime in May. But after they were open for a couple of weeks, there were a new outbreak in Beijing in June. Some campuses of the studios were closed for several weeks. I think right now all campuses of the two studios are open. I also know some people who dance ballroom in the southern part of China. Their studios opened a bit earlier. Latin dancers are willing to dance easily, since many Latin dancers dance solo in China. For standard ballroom, people are still hesitant there.
 
I was just reading about a friend of mine from Atlanta that I was close with several years ago. He and four went out salsa dancing a couple of weeks ago, and three out of five got Coronavirus. One of them ended up in the ER but was able to come home safely, but suffered very significant symptoms. My friend was very sick for a couple weeks. They are all worried about who they might have been in contact with.

Now if I had been in that group and then I went and danced with a student who is older than me and got very ill, Idon't know what would be going through my mind right now.

I still have the spirit of dance and I definitely will be dancing more once things are better. I love dancing and I refuse to be sad not being able to dance with others right now. During this is a time I can work on improving myself and I'll show the new me when the time is right.
 
I didn't expect so much consternation with my comment. I should have gone to the whining thread but having read DanceMentor's Thursday comment it brought back the experience of the past week where I had been trying to re-enter studios.

There is no shaming intended. The bottom line is that studios or any business for the that matter need to present a safe environment whether they believe in masks or not. The current scientific thinking is that masks provide many advantages by reducing risks. For me, it has nothing to do with being a good person or even if you think it infringes on your freedom.

Keeping to the thread topic, I'm not spending money on dance because the studios are not creating a safe environment. The question for any studio owner is whether my business (and those with similar feelings) matters enough to fix it and the cost to do so. Requiring / enforcing masks seems pretty low cost to me but maybe by doing so they loose other business.

It's a tough time to be a business owner that deals directly with the public.
 
There has been almost 200k deaths in Europe vs 132k deaths in the US
And Europe (740 million) has twice the population of the US (328 million).

It's hard when looking at numbers don't fit narratives of how badly the US is doing vs Europe.

The Northeast states and Europe are looking better than new hot spots because they are ahead of the curve and didn't flatten it quickly enough.

Please see the link rels77 posted, that is the sort of thing I'm referring to when I say US is doing badly.

It's not about comparable death numbers so far. It's about where we're going from here. Cases in US are rising, and swiftly in some areas. Many parts of Europe are under much better control in terms of lower numbers of new daily cases, contact tracing of cases that do occur, etc. There are good reasons Europe isn't allowing travelers from the US, but is allowing them from other countries.
 
I didn't expect so much consternation with my comment. I should have gone to the whining thread but having read DanceMentor's Thursday comment it brought back the experience of the past week where I had been trying to re-enter studios.

There is no shaming intended. The bottom line is that studios or any business for the that matter need to present a safe environment whether they believe in masks or not. The current scientific thinking is that masks provide many advantages by reducing risks. For me, it has nothing to do with being a good person or even if you think it infringes on your freedom.

Keeping to the thread topic, I'm not spending money on dance because the studios are not creating a safe environment. The question for any studio owner is whether my business (and those with similar feelings) matters enough to fix it and the cost to do so. Requiring / enforcing masks seems pretty low cost to me but maybe by doing so they loose other business.

It's a tough time to be a business owner that deals directly with the public.
I hear you and I'm not trying to give you a hard time. It's a sort of catch-22 because a co-owner can lose business either way. They will be some people who are older or risk who will not set foot in the studio, especially if people aren't wearing masks. On the other hand, some people will feel it's very inconvenient for them to have to wear masks and they won't want to go to the studio.
 
Please see the link rels77 posted, that is the sort of thing I'm referring to when I say US is doing badly.

I subscribe to the NYtimes, WaPo, the Atlantic and WSJ.
I am pretty aware on the different viewpoints of Covid 19.

It's a pandemic. Part of the US is doing better now because it's ahead of the curve because it had way more deaths already and more cases per million.

2 years from now, we can look back on actual deaths and economic damage and measure how different states and countries did. But right now is a bit early for Europe to claim that it handled it better, or for NY to claim they handle it better.
 
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For the Covid data geeks in the US:
Here is normalized numbers for cases and deaths and you can see how they are growing with each state. And how NY and NJ are starting to flatten. While states like AZ has an exponential curve.

 
On the other hand, some people will feel it's very inconvenient for them to have to wear masks and they won't want to go to the studio.

Agree. It's a tough time to be a business owner that deals directly with the public. My wife's gym is having a similar issue trying to balance those who want to wear masks versus those who do not. Throw in the additional cost of cleaning and smaller class size (which is true for dance studios and gyms) and the challenges become quite significant.
 
Today one of the local studio owners announced plans to shut the studio down in the next few months, citing COVID, political turmoil, and economic uncertainty in the months ahead.

Another local studio changed hands in the last week. The former owners are dance students and so is the new owner.
 
A local instructor, Olga Chekova, and her studio, Capital Dance, try to keep spirits high with an uplifting video. Near the end, Enzo and his partner dance a bombshell.

 
I went to my studio's first post-lockdown party earlier this week. We had to sign up in advance, presumably spots were limited but I'm not aware that demand outstripped supply. I'd say there were about 10-15 of us total. All instructors in masks, a handful of students in masks (myself included), one older student also had gloves. The usual sign-in waiver. Otherwise, completely normal party, though no food/drink provided. Refreshing and cathartic to get back.
 
I practiced at my studio for the first time in about four months. Drop-ins are discouraged in favor of calling ahead to reserve time. The main ballroom has a limit of 8. I opted to rent a room (~1,000 sq. ft.) for myself, which wasn't much more expensive than the main floor rate. Dancing without a mask is permitted inside the private rooms. I wore mine anyway. Until I put on a three minute quickstep. Then I flopped down, ripped off the mask, and spent the next five minutes heaving and wheezing like my friend's cat (Fifi's 76 in human years).
 
One of my local studios is hosting a Sunday afternoon tea dance this coming Sunday. Pre Registration is required. Limited to 26 dancers. Restricted to couples partnering only. Singles can only dance with "trusted friends" and the single's choices are limited to one or two dancers during this dance. Temperature will be taken at the door upon entry. Buffet food will not be served; but, bottled water and access to hand sanitizer will be provided. "Mixing" will be discouraged. I'm going to pass on this one because I'm "not ready." But I shall be monitoring the results closely to see how successful this will be.
 

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