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I certainly cannot do that, but I remember a super-hero from Marvel Comics who was able to do so by changing his molecular density. Atom was his name, I think.
Rise on the cross??
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I certainly cannot do that, but I remember a super-hero from Marvel Comics who was able to do so by changing his molecular density. Atom was his name, I think.
On this point, there seems to be some agreement (that the vertical dimension is possible). Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be universal agreement on what the vertical dimension is actually indicating.
For me, it is to indicate there should be no weight change (which could be for a pause or a pivot). Nothing to do with collecting.
In my mind followers always collect, unless led otherwise. If I lead a change of weight, they should go ahead and do it, then collect.
Now, I can lead them to begin a weight change and then lead them to not complete it, but that requires the additional lead.
Whenever I want my partner to remain on her weighted foot, I lead that.
Now, I can lead them to begin a weight change and then lead them to not complete it, but that requires the additional lead.
Whenever I want my partner to remain on her weighted foot, I lead that.
bordertangoman
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OH that's easy.. yor molecules and atoms are spinning at random you just have to get them all to go up a the same time; levitation!
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Collecting????, Oh that's so yesterday!
Is it?
Just for clarity's sake as you appear to misunderstand me.
The upward intent on its own doesn't indicate a weight change
but it does indicate both a collect and no movement once collected.
Maintain the upward intent and a movement of both torsos changes
weight without movement. It works for my partners, maybe it doesn't for you.
I'll go further to say it's not what you think it indicates but what it indicates
to your partner. It also has a much more interesting role in the cross
but that takes us into the vexed question of non-wiggling hips and
how one body communicates with another.
I seem to recall him from DC Comics. I don't think he was much of a dancer though. He really should have gone to practica more often.
Now i"m totally confused. It seems to me you are trying to NOT speak about it's role in the cross, but rising/lifting/whatever in the cross is the thread topic, so why avoid elaborating on its role in the cross?
Well I have mentioned it here:
So as you've "asked" I'll elaborate!
Firstly I'm talking about in the embrace, in-line "heart to heart".
The amount of lean isn't critical but a chest to chest connection is.
Both partners need to be tall and toned with the core engaged plus still hips/pelvis
so a lead from the man's chest is conveyed via the lady's torso through
the hips to the free, unweighted leg. A man with a loose body cannot
project intention and a ladies loose body absorbs or muffles the reception
and transmission any such intention.
Provided this connection and communication exists an extra upward intention
as the cross is completed will indicate the free foot/leg to lift and cross over
the standing foot. She may even feel as if her foot has actually been lifted.
If the upward intent is maintained the lady shouldn't even be tempted
to weight change until some, but not all if you are staying in place,
of that uplift is removed.
As far as I know this is the only way a weight change in the cross can be lead
or delayed. With this technique with the right partner this can be lead:
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See the stopped crosses at about 45 seconds.
Plus the beautiful standing cross at about 1 minute
and a very slow cross at just beyond the 2 minute mark.
This video ticks all the boxes for me, leadership, controlled responsiveness
from Chan's partner, musicality and a favourite piece by one of my
favourite tango orchestras. Oh dear, I'll have to watch it again now!
Ok I have now(!) and it's worth pointing out that she executes what
I can only call a slow "deep cross" at about 2mins 10/12secs. Visually
she conveys the idea of her foot being lifted deep into the cross.
While I was taught up and down leads the girls were taught to cross
with definition by placing the crossing foot such that the toes of both feet
were in line.
You will then find that dropping your weight onto the landing foot will
actually release the previously weighted right foot and you can clearly
see that in the video. And of course someone who does that allows the
weight change to be withheld by the upward intent.
Whew! Back to where I started with three dimensional leading.
Re: Breathing intentionally/consciously - not sure why the resistance: it's a pretty core fundamental in many disciplines, and will improve your performance in everything from painting, through shooting, to weight training... Tango isn't an exception.
JohnEm: Again, I'm grateful to you for explaining something that we sort of do (in theory) but was never gone into fully - the all-important 'why?' - re: lifting and sinking. Makes more sense now, and I like that extra component to the lead-style!
Generally: I now get some of the comments I've read recently, I think... do some folks here collect at the end of the step, rather than at the beginning of the next one?
JohnEm: Again, I'm grateful to you for explaining something that we sort of do (in theory) but was never gone into fully - the all-important 'why?' - re: lifting and sinking. Makes more sense now, and I like that extra component to the lead-style!
Generally: I now get some of the comments I've read recently, I think... do some folks here collect at the end of the step, rather than at the beginning of the next one?
An individual step involves moving from one location to another, and collecting at that location. (As always, unless led otherwise). Any turning to prepare for the next step should be done with a well-collected axis.
Cool - that explains a lot that I wasn't quite getting (especially with the other cross thread).
We tend to collect as the first part of the next step... gotta love ol' ideosyncratic Tango!
Sounds like you are referring to generic Latin styling, and no, tango isn't danced that way.