Styles anyone

Temza said:
they would make 8 single time steps in a phrase,
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
sometimes they do more steps, if they do double-time steps, but never fewer, even though sometimes the 3 would be unaccented.
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This does seem to be the traditional milonguero way.
It's one aspect of video of Ricardo Vidort which shows a rhythmic dance
and the tunes selected to dance to are strongly rhythmic too. Rarely did
he seem to visually respond to the melody though I can only suspect
that the melody (and the lyrics maybe) influenced how he felt to his
partner, the rhythm being danced with his feet and the melody by his body.
Maybe it's the coming of artistry and artistic teaching that introduced
visual dancing to the melody or even different instruments.

However it is the rhythm that both partners hear most clearly and it therefore
provides an audible connection; maybe that's what those ladies are used to.
Coming from other dances I could go on at length about the role of rhythm
in the creation of dances and the consequences of separating the dance
from its music.
 
Temza said:
...In the last two days though he was lectured on two occasions by two older Argentine women, who clicked fingers at him, told him to step on every beat and advised him to get an Argentine teacher. ...
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I agree that it was rude.

Some people would say that dancing to Di Sarli should include lots of pauses, while dancing to D'Arienzo should be more into the rhythmic groove.
 
One way I heard it described is that feet dance the rhythm while the body dances the melody. However, as much as people tell each other what steps ought not be done, or what style they should dance in, they can't tell each other how to hear and feel the music. 4

On the other hand, maybe they think that he is "missing " beats because he isn't paying attention to the music? I have no idea, but I agree that it is bad form to teach in a milonga.
 
@dchester
"What I'm wondering is if they were trying to say he wasn't "on the beat", rather than complaining about stepping on every beat. "
He DOES step on the beat, take my word for it :)

@dave bailey
-Am I right to think that these are two styles of tango: the older one, rigidly rhythmical, and the more recent one, with a changing tempo?
-Not really. There are different types of music, however.

but these older guys always dance the same way, to DiSarli or to Biagi, never missing a beat. With some of them, it feels like dancing with a metronome

Chalk it up to "Sometimes people are rude and don't listen to idiots just because you're in BsAs".

They were rude, for sure, but I think it was a valuable lesson: dancing with older women local women in BA, be mindful that you might be expected to step on every beat, or expect to be lectured
 
Temza said:
what really perplexed me was how intolerant these Argentine women were to the other style of dancing.
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It's "their" dance!

We are interlopers and newcomers changing it.
For goodness sake they were only clicking their fingers to the rhythm,
trying to point out what the beat is they expect to dance to.
Your husband to them was not dancing to their hearing of the music,
therefore not in time and thus seemed disconnected..

And tell me this. Why was that any more wrong than occasionally
being bluntly told by a partner that I should loosen the embrace
so she can move? Yet the movement she wants to execute is not
at all what I've lead and what she wants to do breaks the embrace.
 
JohnEm said:
It's "their" dance!

We are interlopers and newcomers changing it.
For goodness sake ...
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for goodness sake, how many times do I need to say that only a few older guys dance like this, and other older and younger Argentine guys dance differently? Who is changing the dance?!
Why don't these Argentine women lecture their compatriots?
 
JohnEm said:
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And tell me this. Why was that any more wrong than occasionally
being bluntly told by a partner that I should loosen the embrace
so she can move? Yet the movement she wants to execute is not
at all what I've lead and what she wants to do breaks the embrace.
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when did I say it was more wrong? :confused:
 
Temza said:
for goodness sake, how many times do I need to say that only a few older guys dance like this, and other older and younger Argentine guys dance differently? Who is changing the dance?!
Why don't these Argentine women lecture their compatriots?
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Old women of both sexes behave and dance like this. It is one of the failings of the old, that they have convinced themselves that their age excuses their rudeness. Of course it doesn't.
 
Temza said:
for goodness sake, how many times do I need to say that only a few older guys dance like this, and other older and younger Argentine guys dance differently? Who is changing the dance?!
Why don't these Argentine women lecture their compatriots?
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Maybe these women usually only cabaceo those men that dance
the way they prefer. Maybe they click their fingers at their own
compatriots too! Argentinians have their own responsibility for
the changes to the dance it's true. ;)

Maybe both of you being in BsAs should be prepared to expect
the unexpected. You're the foreigners.
I'm not qualified to comment any further.

And while writing I've just noticed this:

Temza said:
when did I say it was more wrong? :confused:
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You didn't, I'm merely pointing out that such an Argentinian transgression
can be echoed here by much more direct criticism from English ladies.
 
JohnEm said:
For goodness sake they were only clicking their fingers to the rhythm,
trying to point out what the beat is they expect to dance to.
Your husband to them was not dancing to their hearing of the music,
therefore not in time and thus seemed disconnected..

And tell me this. Why was that any more wrong than occasionally
being bluntly told by a partner that I should loosen the embrace
so she can move? Yet the movement she wants to execute is not
at all what I've lead and what she wants to do breaks the embrace.
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I don't understand. Do you think it's OK or not OK to teach in a milonga? or is it only ok for Argentines to teach foreigners?
 
Temza said:
I don't understand. Do you think it's OK or not OK to teach in a milonga? or is it only ok for Argentines to teach foreigners?
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Actually I'm not saying any of it is OK.
Actually I cannot yet see the point of you complaining
on here though. There are pernickety older ladies in every race.

And not to be sexist - also grumpy old men!
 
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