Synchronous on the beat and synchronicity

[Bailango]

Who would think quantum mechanics can be related to Tango I was trying to refresh myself on quantum mechanics. This is a documentary produced by PBS. Which consistently produces high quality documentaries and most are available on the YouTube (may be ad free because so far I didn’t see any ad).

For those that want to geek out I have timestamped the exact place in video where tango is being used to explain concept of synchronous timing.

From the dance perspective it makes a very critical distinction that is lost to many. Dancing is not stepping to a metronome or to a count. If you are only walking to it, you are not dancing. What you are doing is a movement that synchronized with specific points in time (marked by the beat). Dancing is what happens when you are moving between the beats (documentary calls it synchronicity). I don’t know about synchronicity and how it is defined in physics. What it says is true. It is not only movement of being on the beat but also how you move between the beats. I remember a few posts where we did make this distinction. However to use quantum mechanics to help with the explaining it is well ultimate geekry

Anyone wants to start offering quantum tango classes and run with it ? looking at @JournalInTime. At least it sounds far better than somatic tango (someone offers it locally) or all other takes on tango we discussed.

 

[opendoor]

Unfortunately, I'm excluded.


But spontaneously, I feel challenged, since you seem to be somewhat disdainful of the somatic aspect of dancing, are you?

We've often talked about how differently children from different cultures access dance and rhythm. Neurophysiologically speaking, we have multiple pacemakers in our own body. Added to this is the influence that the mother's heartbeat has on the fetus. After birth, the exposure to these external pacesetters can be encouraged when mothers move rhythmically with their children in their arms or laps.

The next important influence I'd like to mention is the drum. When I was learning salsa and was overwhelmed by the power of the foreign rhythms, I learned to play the conga. A short time later, I began learning tango with a Uruguayan. On the same day, the teacher's brother was also practicing with his candombe gang. Naturally, I learned the elementary candombe claves of each drum. Drums go right through your bones. They have such a moving power that's almost impossible to resist.

That's what I call somatic learning. And sorry, I didn't want to hijack your offer on quantum mechanics. (the next days I will catch up and watch the vid in the dark net, but currently I'm on vacation).

 

[TTanguero]

For those that want to geek out I have timestamped the exact place in video where tango is being used to explain concept of synchronous timing.

Can you specify the start time? The video is blocked in the UK. I can view it using a VPN set to the US, but the timestamp is lost.

 

[ArbeeNYC]

Anyone wants to start offering quantum tango classes and run with it ?

Spooky action at a distance? Quantum uncertainty? "I know where I am but I don't know what I'm doing."

 

[Steve Pastor]

Start @ 16:00.

I've seen this several times and it's never resonated with me.
Yo Yo Mah didn't need quantum physics to talk about the importance of what happens between the beats.

And here is one definition of synchronicity - the simultaneous occurrence of events which appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection.
I think it's pretty obvious that our moving to music has no discernable causal connection.

Spooky action at a distance? Yeah. Experimentally confirmed but is two particles generated at the same time; Quantum stuff.

Nevertheless, BIG fan of NOVA and PBS in general.

 

[Rabbit]

From the dance perspective it makes a very critical distinction that is lost to many. Dancing is not stepping to a metronome or to a count. If you are only walking to it, you are not dancing. What you are doing is a movement that synchronized with specific points in time (marked by the beat). Dancing is what happens when you are moving between the beats (documentary calls it synchronicity).

I don't see what any of this has to do with quantum physics

 

[Brummbaer]

Can you specify the start time?

~15:56

Tara Fortier - Project Leader at NIST and AT teacher/performer. (Interesting aside that Christine Deniston - History of Tango... also graduated apparently in theoretical physics)

OK, there are analogies to visualise quantum mechanic concepts! Maybe even a Schrödinger partner or uncertainty about relative positions for AT. I think Portalea said it better for AT:

Hay que bailar los silencios. Y los violines. Aunque no existan.

But I guess there are others...

 

[TTanguero]

~15:56

Thanks – though the cat and mouse game between VPNs and streaming video services means that it is currently unavailable again.

Hay que bailar los silencios. Y los violines. Aunque no existan.

I was thinking about a rather literal example of this recently when dancing to a song that has a delayed single-chan ending. I began the step during the preceding silence in order for us to land on the beat. I realized it was a move that only made sense in the moment if you know the song. Otherwise, it would have meaning in retrospect.

 

[Brummbaer]

Synchronisation doesn't necessarily mean simultaneous, or even with zero phase difference. Consider the complex intertwining of Pugliese with a basic beat of Canaro, or D'Arienzo

I was thinking about a rather literal example of this recently when dancing to a song that has a delayed single-chan ending. I began the step during the preceding silence in order for us to land on the beat. I realized it was a move that only made sense in the moment if you know the song.

It always depends whether or not you know the song! Musicians play with us; you sometimes expect a 'ping' at the end, but sometimes they don't. But it feels good if you can prepare and complete, although sometimes you just need an escape option.

I can see AT, or just movement to music, as a more helpful analogy to aspects of quantum mechanics rather than the opposite. Sometimes we just intellectualise too much, but, whatever helps...

 

[Bailango]

Can you specify the start time? The video is blocked in the UK. I can view it using a VPN set to the US, but the timestamp is lost.

It is at 16:00 minutes mark.

 

[Bailango]

That's what I call somatic learning.

The instructor that has been offering somatic tango isn’t the same as what your concept of somatic learning is. Her concept is fusing tango and somatic therapy - which involves emotional processing, healing, safe space, etc.

Another (and more popular?) definition of somatic learning is in the context of neuromuscular re-education. It emphasizes connection between brain and muscles, with brain learning new ways to move for improving muscle control.

What you have described doesn’t fit into either of above. You are referring to how different cultures perceive dance and rhythm. Going off on a tangent, I remember some study that concluded that cutting across cultures, the “rhythm” as one common core element shared by all. It was an anthropology paper.

 

[Bailango]

Start @ 16:00.

I've seen this several times and it's never resonated with me.
Yo Yo Mah didn't need quantum physics to talk about the importance of what happens between the beats.

In another thread I had linked an interview to Yo Yo Ma explaining what makes music danceable or how he would play it for dancing.

As for the video clip, isn’t it other way round. Using Tango to explain importance of timing and synchronization.

And here is one definition of synchronicity - the simultaneous occurrence of events which appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection.
I think it's pretty obvious that our moving to music has no discernable causal connection.

Not even in partner dancing?

 

[Bailango]

I don't see what any of this has to do with quantum physics

It doesn’t other than using tango as a prop to introduce the concepts of synchronization and synchronicity.

 

[TTanguero]

sometimes you just need an escape option.

I still laugh at a teacher telling me one time, it's better to end a song four times than not at all. The escape option is to turn it into a pause and then continue at a suitable point!

 

[Bailango]

Synchronisation doesn't necessarily mean simultaneous, or even with zero phase difference.

No it doesn’t.

It means an action with respect to some agree upon unit of time. In simplest terms it can be “you leave an hour after I leave” or the cell towers requiring to be synchronized for smooth handoff when you are on a call on your cell phone. Both are examples of synchronization, though a lay person might interpret the latter as simultaneous.