ArbeeNYC
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Yes, that can get very expensive.
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itwillhappen
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I went to my first practilonga after 5 lessons, my first milonga after about 10 lessons,. The thread about "Recruiting & Retaining" explains why this is good and important.Maybe you have better teachers where you are, but after a few dozen group lessons, I was a bad follower and a worse leader.
I wrote: "But surely one can dance with those who have similarly few resources for mutual satisfaction, if one's own ego allows it?"
I made no statement about the opposite, why someone might strive to learn to dance better.
opendoor
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What is a high end milonga and how expensive is it?
opendoor
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These are the hottest events that also attract visitors from across the region. 10 - 15 €
In NYC it's $20-30, so average $25.
So let's say someone dances at 2 milongas a week and also takes a class ($30ish), thats $80/week, or a $360/month. Toss in a private ($120) and that's $480/month. Not to mention costs if you get drinks at these events, along with the price of commuting ($2.90 subway), and any special workshops/milongas that month.
When I don't have anything else going on in my life I was averaging 3-4 milongas/practicas, 1-2 group lessons, 1 private a week.
itwillhappen
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To put it into perspective, in Germany, a milonga costs about as much as a trip to the cinema or a Big Mac Meal.
I'm not quite sure which leisure activities are significantly cheaper alternatives, and how they achieve it.
For me are the travel costs usually much higher.
I'm not quite sure which leisure activities are significantly cheaper alternatives, and how they achieve it.
For me are the travel costs usually much higher.
Most milongas charge $20. A few $25 (they will likely have live music and better food). Only one charges $15. These are the very popular ones. Non popular ones also charge the same.
When I compared to how other people spend their leisure time, most end up spending more than $100 to $200 a week.
Most regular dancers do not take privates or workshops regularly every month. At best it is a quarter. People do travel for festivals. People travel to BsAs. For them monthly expenses are not high. Traveling adds up far more.
For half the community the only monthly expense is milonga entry fees and whatever it costs to get there.
A lot of the organizers here offer a monthly subscription which reduces the expense for regular dancers, but has the unfortunate side effect of splitting the community more.
itwillhappen
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What I call a private milonga, you call a house party.
And what you call a private milonga, I don't see here. (Although it's legal in Germany, you don't have to pay copyright fees if the participants are all connected to each other beforehand.)
What's "gray" about such?
Miradamiranda
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My local club /association /Verein membership costs 105€ yearly (less if you volunteer occasionally), for which you get free entrance to all the weekly milongas (non-members pay 10€) and discounts on courses and additional milongas, for example our big monthly milonga is only 10€ (or 12€ for non members). But it’s a small city, so we have to travel for more, and that often implies crossing the border for neighboring Swiss cities where prices are more likely 20-25 per milonga.
So, cheaper here than many places. BUT if one needs a hotel, prices are waaay above normal major European city costs.
So, cheaper here than many places. BUT if one needs a hotel, prices are waaay above normal major European city costs.
ArbeeNYC
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Some of ours charge $30. A couple of special events--festival milongas, etc.,--charged $40. Some milongas charge extra when there's a performance! Also extra for live music. Food? I don't eat at milongas, so I couldn't say but it's mostly cookies, dips, and raw carrots and cucumbers, some type of cheese, maybe chocolate.
TTanguero
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Jeez, that's adding insult to injury! Less dancing time and higher cost.
You are right, I am fed up of shows either. But from perspective of organisers they have to pay for performers and performance attracts audience.
Social dance, on its own, can attract recruits, but rarely sets an improvement standard. But it has to be seen and known about.
A high standard performance on its own doesn't set a good example, especially if it's entirely of moves unsuitable for the social dance floor, and by people who've trained and choreographed for that 'performance'. On the other hand, where the performance includes some examples of something just taught, or is realistically achievable by a social dancer, I can find that inspiring - especially with elements we use.
If you don't 'advertise' it, what would inspire people to go?