Tango Diaries

..There are plenty of women without partners who really wish they had a partner who dances..
Of course, that's logical! How much easier is it when you have a partner in real life who also dances (tango). Many dancers in my community were absent for up to 8 years simply because their partner didn't dance. Such relationships are doomed to fail. Non-dancers usually cannot accept that their partners are acting autonomously.
 
were absent for up to 8 years simply because their partner didn't dance. Such relationships are doomed to fail. Non-dancers usually cannot accept that their partners are acting autonomously.
Not necessarily. We all know women with non-dancing partners. If they don’t feel they can allow themselves to pursue their passion without fear of a mistrusting partner, THAT nagging feeling of sacrifice would be more a strain in a relationship than the actual mistrust, IMO.
I most definitely value my own freedom and choices of when and where and with whom to dance. The only issue I encounter is required couple sign up or waiting lists at some events. But then I just pick the events that don’t require couple sign up. But I might also be on the strong and independent end of the scale, and I’m good enough a dancer that I get to dance a lot even without knowing anyone beforehand at events. In fact I find that feeling very gratifying. I have already booked 3 events next year where I am assuming I might recognize a few people, but where I don’t know ahead of time for sure if there’ll be anyone I know. I might mention to some dancers I’ll be going and they might decide also to go, but we don’t go together. (BTW, if anyone wants to meet me at any of these, I have nice events lined up in Europe in April, May, and June.)
 
Being a slightly older crowd means that the bar for dating a person feels higher since most folks already have a pretty nice life they won’t give up to accommodate a partner, whereas younger folks feel more relationship adventurous.
An observation related to this: many women in child bearing age with their biological clock ticking try so hard to find a partner, just when the guys often go through a phase of commitment fear. And then when the women reach an age where they might be just fine on their own, eligible guys might realize they finally are ready to settle. Obviously there are plenty of exceptions, but it’s a pattern I see repeatedly.
 
These events sound to me like they're deliberately designed to facilitate hookups, is that an accurate interpretation?
The way it is marketed in Portland is a bit more aggressively sexy, but in the other towns it is not ( the hot springs retreats for example are probably less hookup and more dance ). I think for fusion there are just two organizers that try to equate the dance with sex. There is also a bit of overlap with the polyamory and LGBTQ community where people who go are a bit more liberal and having a rope bondage class before the class is normal. But it doesn’t mean everyone there is going for all that and there are also non sexual community events like tea parties and potlucks and such. But overall if I was younger and single or queer that scene would feel more dating friendly to me.
 
Of course, that's logical! How much easier is it when you have a partner in real life who also dances (tango). Many dancers in my community were absent for up to 8 years simply because their partner didn't dance. Such relationships are doomed to fail. Non-dancers usually cannot accept that their partners are acting autonomously.
Dance just becomes a smaller part of life together. My wife doesn’t dance. She hates the crowded environment and loud music. I don’t treat the years that we spent while our kids were young or traveling or at the early parts of our marriage where we went out dancing maybe four times total as a failed or doomed relationship. Going to dance classes and milongas and practicas is just something I do the same way she goes on long walks or visits her mother that I don’t participate in.

You might also meet someone through dancing and then end up doing not as much dancing when you’re together because there are more fun couple things to do.

Yeah you get jealous when the tanda plays and you see the couples that are married pair up with each other and dance with such joy and passion for each other. But you get over it.

There are plenty of hobbies like this for the men : Brazilian Jujitsu, recreational sword fighting, racing motorcycles, flying planes, improv comedy, 3d printing, DnD. While women sometimes participate in these, they skew heavily male.

Probably what makes finding a partner harder nowadays because you also have to find compatibility in what each person is willing to do. We have a couple that comes dancing where it was the wife’s idea but she is also so shy that she won’t rotate partners and so neither does her husband. It works for them and I am always super happy to see them.
 
Not necessarily. We all know women with non-dancing partners. If they don’t feel they can allow themselves to pursue their passion without fear of a mistrusting partner, THAT nagging feeling of sacrifice would be more a strain in a relationship than the actual mistrust, IMO.
Following also tends to be a bit more forgiving to learn at the beginning. A guy in my class has tried to learn for a few decades as his wife is a great tango dancer and finally committed to learning as part of his “when I retire in three years we can travel and dance” plan. They are at different levels and she is super popular. He is still even afraid to ask someone to dance. So I would see him at a milonga maybe three times in a year but he is committed and comes to all the classes. So even with a dancing partner things like childcare, schedules and commitments can easily get in the way.
 
As a follower, though, it seems you have to be a very good dancer to attract the attention of guys on the scene for anything additional to pure dancing.
I wonder why that would be pre-requisite. A good dancer can appear physically more attractive than if you meet him/her on a street.

Unless you know a person to a fair degree, I think physical attraction would trump dance skills ?
 
There is a lot of meaningless flirting going on. Also the failure rate for relationships formed in tango is, according to my observations, high (our scene currently has a lot of drama caused by these.)
In our scene in my experience had been people are rather discreet about it. You only know after months that some dancers have got into relationship. Sometimes the friends too are told after a couple of months. The breakups are also very discreet.
 
I find most people in tango just dance and go home. Most of the women in my classes are married and/or have grown kids. There are a ton of amazing single folks I know in tango that would be quickly snagged up in other dances.
My comment you quoted wasn’t specific to Tango. I was talking about all social dances.


People from other scenes I interact with like salsa, bachata, ecstatic dance or fusion do more community things together. Let’s have a house party. After the dance, let’s get pizza as a group. Let’s all go to the ballet or flamenco show together. Here is a festival, let’s go. So the interactions beyond dance are a bit richer.

I would guess it depends on the particular community and scene. And how much you want to be involved in the scene. Not everyone wants to be involved outside of dancing. You’re truly included. I had an active social life outside of dancing. I am also the type not to socialize with colleagues outside of work. I see tango people do socialize a lot with activities you mentioned. It is hard to generalize. Each scene has a very different make up.

Some of the events I see in fusion also feel a bit more shag friendly with things like hot spring retreats, hot tub and dance, tantric sessions before dance, massage therapy and cuddle rooms.
I would not expect anything less from the fusion folks :D I don’t dance fusion. A few folks who I know that do are very bohemian and sort of stuff you mentioned. But that’s a very small sample size. A few times I have been to fusion, people are too friendly.
 
Yeah you get jealous when the tanda plays and you see the couples that are married pair up with each other and dance with such joy and passion for each other. But you get over it.

One of the secrets of tango is that some pairings have the ability to create these (and other powerful emotions) without the dance partners necessarily having to be in a relationship.
 
One of the secrets of tango is that some pairings have the ability to create these (and other powerful emotions) without the dance partners necessarily having to be in a relationship.
It's not the envy for the emotional connection at the moment of the dance, rather the shared experience of watching couples enjoying that together. Like when you take a cruise or visit a new city together and think back to those moments years later. With partners that dance you can think back to things and places like oh yeah that summer outdoor dance event where I dipped you in the water, with a non dancing partner you kinda keep those moments to yourself or do it to friends and strangers.
 
Dear Diary...

...I know several tango dancers where the life partner doesn't dance. But how do I know if and how their common life is organized? When one person preferst to dances significantly more, or is more successful than the other, I already see difficulties. Of course, even without dancing, a marriage can become purely a partnership of convenience while building a house and raising children. And if one partner then wants to find fulfillment in dancing, something has perhaps gone fundamentally wrong, and the other should also prepare for the end of the relationship.

My girlfriend, at least, finds it amazing that we have a shared hobby with a shared circle of friends; she didn't have anything like that in her previous marriage. Naturally, one shouldn't base a life together on dancing, especially since illness or injury can interrupt it at any time. But simply saying "I don't want to dance anymore" isn't an option either for me.

The largely serial-monogamous partnerships of our Western culture - I linked to some research on this before - function best when the partner is unquestionably the top priority. Which practically means that tango can, at best, be a secondary priority. Put-downs and criticism can happen, but they must then be addressed appropriately. And suddenly wanting to dance, as well as suddenly not wanting to dance, are difficult signals to send. How can compensation be achieved when one partner is more or less constantly striving and chatting towards the next tango experience?

Basically, couples who want to start dancing together might need strategic guidance that puts them both on equal footing. And if the realistic outcome is that both have to forgo a vacation budget so that he can get private lessons from a fiery Argentinian teacher alongside the dance classes, then it's simply a matter of priorities.
 
Basically, couples who want to start dancing together might need strategic guidance that puts them both on equal footing. And if the realistic outcome is that both have to forgo a vacation budget so that he can get private lessons from a fiery Argentinian teacher alongside the dance classes, then it's simply a matter of priorities.
Dear diary,

A few years back I read this blog post on the pendulum theory and how it applies to a leader’s beginner’s hell. Surviving a Dance Partnership | Edie, The Salsa FREAK!! .

Basically, it said that when people tried new dances, often the leader has to rest at the extreme part of the pendulum, spending a lot more time focusing on basics, timing etc. To survive that relationship the spouse or significant other has to rest and wait and be patient. Eventually the extreme effort time and money balances back and they can both go on with a new more balanced normal.

This is just part of introducing change, doesn’t even have to be dance related. It could happen as part of external factors like a job change or internal things like one person deciding to be more religious or to lose weight. Moving places, having or adopting a kid. Even things like buying an electric car or the release of a new movie one person is obsessed with all have pendulum effects.

In dance, the pendulum swings all the time. Maybe a follow decides that leading is the thing they want to try. Maybe it is getting better at milonga. Part of being a couple is understanding these changes are coming and accepting and supporting each other.

Of course, there might be swings that are intolerable like one person deciding they want to transition into another gender or change political parties in the US…
 

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