I think you completely missed the point of Peaches post... it had to do with behavior of people towards partners, not attitude towards music. After all, that was the previous discussion that she is referencing, I believe.
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Tango snobs...
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I think you completely missed the point of Peaches post... it had to do with behavior of people towards partners, not attitude towards music. After all, that was the previous discussion that she is referencing, I believe.
Yes, that's the way I looked at it as well. Having discriminating tastes (like in music) is not at all the same as being a snob. I always thought, part of being a snob is being offensive and/or disdainful. I wonder if across the pond, the word has a more positive connotation than it has here.
Just having discriminating tastes does not make you a snob. If you enjoy music, or food, or life in general, then you will be always curious to discover what other people like, to find new things and to share your passion by connecting with other people.
A snob does none of these things, because he really prefers to separate and distinguish himself from other people. The disdain for other people's tastes is inherent in the definition of the word snob. There has to be some value scale implied.
It doesn't matter whether it is a soccer hooligan making fun of a guy on his way to the opera, or whether it is a wine snob recoiling in disgust when a neighbor offers him a Pabst Blue Ribbon, the same emotions are at work.
If Milongadicto's blog was solely concerned with discerning his favorite tango music and favorite examples of tango and musicality, then it wouldn't be about a tango snob. If you read his latest blog post it is even more clear that the unifying and dominant theme is his disdain for other people, and anger toward them. I need not supply any quotes; he is quite explicit.
The only thing that makes it of any interest to read and not just another venom filled rant is that he is perhaps just a tiny bit conflicted, and more than a little bit dissatisfied. He doesn't like being a snob. So he may learn something from the experience. I tend to like being a snob, so it is harder for me to see my fears and insecurities that underlie the gratification I get out of feeling superior to the teeming masses.
-SD
If you change the reference from "those" to "music" I think you are getting pretty close to what I understood BTM's post to mean.
I also think that is what BTM was talking about... but I'm not sure that any of the rest of us are talking about that. Wasn't the initial post about being a snob towards PEOPLE who aren't good enough dancers and whether that is being a snob or being discerning?
How did it become about being preferring one sort of music over another? How can one treat music rudely? The whole idea is about how one relates to and treats PEOPLE.
Definition of SNOB
- : one who blatantly imitates, fawningly admires, or vulgarly seeks association with those regarded as social superiors
- a : one who tends to rebuff, avoid, or ignore those regarded as inferior
b : one who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of knowledge or taste
Interesting to note that this is also part of the diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder....
Perhaps, but music does not perceive that it is being ignored or being thought of as inferior. People on the other hand, may perceive that they are being ignored or being thought of as inferior, even if that isn't what someone has in mind when they exhibit a certain behavior.
This is what makes the whole "snob" issue sort of "fuzzy".
Beat me to it... the music doesn't perceive rudeness or bad manners.
prefers to separate and distinguish himself from other people. The disdain for other people's tastes is inherent in the definition of the word snob. There has to be some value scale implied. the unifying and dominant theme is his disdain for other people, and anger toward them.
And again, the diagnostic criteria for NPD leaps to mind. Add in the need for admiration from others, the grandiose self-view often not backed up with actual knowledge or credential, and the exaggeration to the point of outright fabrication, and you're there.
music is being ignored or being thought of as inferior.
The way I thought of it was a snob thinks in terms of ignoring or thinking of something as inferior because of the way they look at life and do it irrespective of their true feelings. Using this as your basis you can relate the definition of snob to anything that such behavior may apply too, both animate and inanimate.
Further back in the discussion snobbish behavior was compared to making hard decisions. Relating that to a persons behavior I felt that where a person was being guided by their true feelings, even though that may appear to snobbish behavior, it was not.Originally Posted by Zoopsia59
How did it become about being preferring one sort of music over another? How can one treat music rudely? The whole idea is about how one relates to and treats PEOPLE.
Then relating this principle to music if a persons reaction to the music they hear is due to their feeling for the music even if it appears to be snobbish it is not.
So two people hear the same piece of music and make exactly the same negetive comment that may be considered snobbish. If for one that music really was an abonimation to their ears then their behavior would not be snobbish but if the other felt that was the right thing to say, so to speak, even though they though the music was OK, then that would be snobbish.
Hence it appears to me that what was being asked was, what was the motive behind the thoughts and comments of the possible snob, rather than the actions and words per se.
People can do what they want. It would be nice if everyone teated everyone else with respect etc. but they don't. One can be a snob, it's one's own choice, but expecting none else to care is bit arrogant. People at my scene occasionally moan about the teachers/in crowd setting them sleves apart and only dancing with each other, but I'm not interested. Most of them don't look to be much cop anyway and I'd rather enjoy the milonga as a social occasion with dancing thrown in. Chances are not mny people have even noticed milongadicto's transformation.
Chances are not mny people have even noticed milongadicto's transformation.
My memory is that in one of his posts on this subject he said that they have noticed. (might have been the other thread)