The Forward Cross

AndaBien said:
If I understand you, you're trying to lead your partner's R foot to tuck in behind her own L foot. Is that correct?

I think the lead for that would be quite subtle, and I'm sure that it is an uncommon move.


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Not in Q.Step....

ALL locking actions are to do with HOW one shapes the body.. a strong right or left side lead is needed.. I will concede, that the Fwd lock for lady seems a little un natural, but like most variations, it can be developed...
 
Thanks for the video, that was interesting. I'm not sure about the terminology though, enganchada? Are we just making up terms now? ;)
 
Also, the step I'm talking about is a cross with balance maintained, I could see how you can make it a volcada though.
 
tangotime said:
ALL locking actions are to do with HOW one shapes the body.. a strong right or left side lead is needed.. I will concede, that the Fwd lock for lady seems a little un natural, but like most variations, it can be developed...
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That was what I was trying to say... I just couldn't say it that succinctly. :D
 
Angel HI said:
Untrue. :confused:
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I say that because a man can lead a lock/cross for a woman without locking himself. His lock is an option as something of an adornment; it's perfectly possible to lead a cross and for him to merely close his feet together. That doesn't mean there isn't shaping (or whatever non-br word you want to use for it) going on, but that has to happen regardless. The man's lock does not have to happen in order for the woman to cross.
 
Of course, and right you are, Peaches. I only didn't want readers to be confused. Often, the man will cross, not as an option, but as a necessity to lead /facilitate a certain movement.
 
This is correct. In dance; BR, jazz, modern, latin, and possibly some others, a lock is a crossing of the ankles (sometimes the legs, but more correctly, not).
 
Subliminal said:
I'm talking about when you ask the follower to step forward into a cross rather than backwards into the cross as usual. The way I first learned this was something to do after a forward rock step. My teacher and my awesome practice partner seem to not have difficulty following this, but when I've tried it with others, I get the "*** was that?" look, or just a normal step as they fight the cross lead.

Is this just one of those things some followers hate, or is there a way to make it easier? Thoughts?

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I learned this for milonga, where steps are likely to be quicker & the ladies more tuned in to the possiblities of rapid changes - but after rocking her back to the right foot you bring her forward diagonally with a light pressure on the muscle in the small of her back on the right side. The right foot crosses behind the left.
 
It's called a lock because it locks the feet together. This makes it harder to continue from the lock into another step, but not impossible.

I see it pretty much the woman's decision whether she crosses behind on the forward step or simply steps beside.

Despite more than 50 years of dance and 21 of tango I would never try to lead a woman to move with such particularity. Maybe that's just because I'm not good enough. But I like to give a woman as much choice as possible to individualize her part of the dance.

Larry Carroll - L. de Los Angeles
 
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