The Tango beginner

hbboogie1

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The shy, underconfident beginner: Not sure if they can tango too timid/delicate with movements backs away from partner during beginner’s class. Everyone else in the group encourages them to have more confidence.
The overconfident, know-it-all beginner: They think they're Tango experts after the first week of classes; they jump right into the line of dance, but they lack control. Imagine themselves experts because they've read a lot about Tango on the Internet, but they haven't lived any of it yet. Everyone else in the group just sighs.
The eager-to-learn-but-not-terribly-physically-gifted beginner: Happy about learning Tango, but somewhat of a walking disaster, because they lack one or all of the following: strength, flexibility, balance, coordination, body control.
The musically/rhythmically-handicapped beginner: Whose greatest struggle is dancing on beat moving to the right rhythm. Everyone else in the group admires their enthusiasm but wishes they would slow down.
The Stage-happy beginner: Attracted to Tango for the fancy movements wants to learn lifts and aerials before getting down the basics. Everyone else on the dance floor hopes that someday they will understand what's really important in dancing social Tango.
The overaggressive beginner: Wants to play the hard game right away, kicks at every opportunity causing injury to others. Holds up the line of dance. Teaches on the social dance floor. Everyone else in the group finds them difficult to play with.
The "natural" beginner: The lucky few who are physically and musically talented, who pick up everything from the walk to the rhythm after being shown just once. Everyone else in the group wishes they were like that when they started.
The "inverse" beginner: Consistently does everything to the opposite of what they're supposed to do: Often confused with the overaggressive beginner. Everyone else in the group wonders if the hemispheres of their brain are switched, and tries to avoid dancing next to them in class.
The martial-artist beginner: Has good balance and body control because of extensive experience in other arts, but trouble adjusting to new techniques. In tango forgets frame and resorts to TKD/karate/judo/kung-fu stance out of habit. It’s important not to collide with this beginner, his hands are registered lethal weapons.
 
1. The shy, underconfident beginner
2. The overconfident, know-it-all beginner
3. The eager-to-learn-but-not-terribly-physically-gifted beginner:
4. The musically/rhythmically-handicapped beginner
5. The Stage-happy beginner
6. The overaggressive beginner
7. The "natural" beginner
8. The "inverse" beginner
9. The martial-artist beginner

Hi, I'm a 'newbie' too. Thought it would be fun to find out who people would prefer to dance with at a milonga. As a 'early improver' tango dancer who only dances at classes (as I don't have a partner), my order would be:

7. The "natural" beginner
3. The eager-to-learn-but-not-terribly-physically-gifted beginner
1. The shy, underconfident beginner
6. The overaggressive beginner
2. The overconfident, know-it-all beginner
9. The martial-artist beginner
8. The "inverse" beginner
5. The Stage-happy beginner
4. The musically/rhythmically-handicapped beginner

 
The shy, underconfident beginner: Not sure if they can tango too timid/delicate with movements backs away from partner during beginner’s class. Everyone else in the group encourages them to have more confidence.

Underconfident with partner and underconfident with steps is not the same. Why not two underconfident sub-species?

The shy, underconfident beginner: Not sure if they can tango. Thinks twice before taking a step. Sometimes thrice. Never tries the whole sequence before repeating each step separetely. Everyone else in the group encourages them to have more confidence.

The shy, underconfident beginner: too timid/delicate with movements backs away from partner. Blushes when touching the partner with one hand. Apologizes when going into the abrazo. Everyone else in the group encourages them to have more confidence.
 
Underconfident with partner and underconfident with steps is not the same. Why not two underconfident sub-species?

I think it depends on the reason for the underconfidence and shyness.

If the beginner was undeconfident and shy but a perfectionist who is aware of their own perceived failings then this can manifest itself in many ways.

I think you you can pick up on someone like that I suspect they would be the best people to dance with.
 
This could of course apply to nearly all dancing. . . .

In another thread I (Salsa, Ceroc) I posted my experience being a Swing dancer doing Tango for the first time, and as an experienced Swing dancer coaching absolute beginners.

Poor timing and rhythm is often a function of teachers and learners wanting to teach steps before the beginner understands the dance. You cannot understand a dance form without first 'feeling' the rhythm.

My first WCS instructor spent the first two 2 hr classes simply making the class walk up and down counting out 6 and 8 beats and turning. Then we did endless sugar pushes and left side passes till he was sure we understood the compression - tension. Only then did he introduce steps and patterns.

In European - North American culture only about 1 in 5 or 6 people naturally dance in time to music - everyone else has to be taught - this is the beginning of dance.

Once mastery of beat, rhythm and phrasing is achieved, a dancer can relatively easily switch between different dance forms - but not before.

When I encounter a beginner dancer I grade them using a number of factors

1. Balance
2. Musicality
3. Agility (not the same as balance)
4. Lead - Follow understanding (Social)

Anyone else do it differently?
 
When I encounter a beginner dancer I grade them using a number of factors

1. Balance
2. Musicality
3. Agility (not the same as balance)
4. Lead - Follow understanding (Social)

Anyone else do it differently?

Do people really do this?

Don't you just dance with someone and if you like it thats great and if not thats life.

I thought we were talking about the type of personalities people show when learning to dance rather than their dance abilities as such but I suppose your way of thinking maybe a logical extension of that if that is what people think when learning. Not that I would know how I could grade like that.
 
This could of course apply to nearly all dancing. . . .

In another thread I (Salsa, Ceroc) I posted my experience being a Swing dancer doing Tango for the first time, and as an experienced Swing dancer coaching absolute beginners.

Poor timing and rhythm is often a function of teachers and learners wanting to teach steps before the beginner understands the dance. You cannot understand a dance form without first 'feeling' the rhythm.

My first WCS instructor spent the first two 2 hr classes simply making the class walk up and down counting out 6 and 8 beats and turning. Then we did endless sugar pushes and left side passes till he was sure we understood the compression - tension. Only then did he introduce steps and patterns.

In European - North American culture only about 1 in 5 or 6 people naturally dance in time to music - everyone else has to be taught - this is the beginning of dance.

Once mastery of beat, rhythm and phrasing is achieved, a dancer can relatively easily switch between different dance forms - but not before.

When I encounter a beginner dancer I grade them using a number of factors

1. Balance
2. Musicality
3. Agility (not the same as balance)
4. Lead - Follow understanding (Social)

Anyone else do it differently?

I use Vitruvius:
“An able dancer hath three conditions: firmness, commodity, and delight.”
 
Isn't dance personality directly related to their ability?

Every experienced dancer judges their partners abilities - do you want to do a neck drop with someone who clearly doesn't know how to do it? You could end up a paraplegic.

When I dance with someone I want them, us, to look and feel good. We don't look good if I put her into a double spin and she falls over.

A lot of the fun in dance is making a really lousy dance partner look and feel good about things. . . .
 
Isn't dance personality directly related to their ability?
a neck drop
a double spin .

I thought we were talking about a persons personality.

In any event I don't think a persons dance personality is directly related to their ability. Some really obnoxious people can be great dancers and I would steer well clear of them and some lovely people who I would dance with any day of the week are not such good dancers.

As regards the moves you mentioned are these normally done in Tango?

Finally, I thought dance and especially Tango is about connection with your partner, not looking good.
 
Isn't dance personality directly related to their ability?

Every experienced dancer judges their partners abilities - do you want to do a neck drop with someone who clearly doesn't know how to do it? You could end up a paraplegic.

When I dance with someone I want them, us, to look and feel good. We don't look good if I put her into a double spin and she falls over.

A lot of the fun in dance is making a really lousy dance partner look and feel good about things. . . .
I know what you're trying to say, but...no. Personality and musicality are not necessarily related to ability, IME.

And, quite unfortunately, not every "advanced" dancer evaluates their partner's abilities and dances to that. Some are just pig-headed and figure they can get their partner to do things, regardless.

Edit to add: But, yes, when they guy is attentive and dancing for/with his partner, it looks better and feels better...and builds trust. When he's trying to "force" her through things, it does look bad. And it can feel even worse.
 

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