Three rhythms to dance to...

[opendoor]

Perhaps only 2 rhythms to ...

.. habanera like rhythms "tango rhythms", were the #1 and #2 songs in the US....

.. am reading in this moment, that the 3-3-2 pattern, the heritage of the habanera in tango, is also called tresillo . And, that it is in this respect only an academic question, whether the basic signiture is in a 2/4 or 4/4 metrum.

 

[tangotime]

Terminology like slow and quick is an aid to explaining rhythm to students. It's one of dozens of tools experienced teachers use. It may be old but I don't agree that it's outdated. It may not work for you; it does work for other teachers.

The point of S and Q, was primarily ( and still is ) used to show the "time" allocation to any specific movement, as in ..a Slow is 2 beats and a Quick is one ( syncop. vary ).Mnay of the variations in the Bronze syllabus at A/M were designed to 1 and or 2 bars of music.. simplicity was the key to their teaching methods ( didnt agree always ), but in principle, I see its value .

Many in my Profession , prefer the numerical count when detailng movement, and for valid reasons in many , but not all, cases.

When I and other examiners test Prof. candidates, they are required to count in beats and bars for some part of the verbal exam.

The tools we have at our fingers, as pros. are hopefully varied enough to get any point across .

 

[ant]

Originally Posted by larrynla
Terminology like slow and quick is an aid to explaining rhythm to students. It's one of dozens of tools experienced teachers use.

Originally posted by tangotime
The point of S and Q, was primarily ( and still is ) used to show the "time" allocation to any specific movement, as in ..a Slow is 2 beats and a Quick is one ( syncop. vary ).

I wonder if anybody can give a short synopsis of other methods teachers use to help students understand rhythm, possibally with some idea of what they will assume a student should know, when using these methods, as tangotime has done with S and Q.

Many thanks

 

[bordertangoman]

I wonder if anybody can give a short synopsis of other methods teachers use to help students understand rhythm, possibally with some idea of what they will assume a student should know, when using these methods, as tangotime has done with S and Q.

Many thanks

I choose music with a simpler structure than tango which has two rhythms being played at the same time so they have the choice and learn to switch between the two.

I had a guy who didnt hear the 2-3 beats in the vals until I showed him that he could put a rock step in.

There's no knowing what people hear!

 

[tangotime]

I wonder if anybody can give a short synopsis of other methods teachers use to help students understand rhythm, possibally with some idea of what they will assume a student should know, when using these methods, as tangotime has done with S and Q.

Many thanks

There are recordings of "beat " only rhythms ( i have 2 such in Cha ) and I,m sure they are available in other formats ..

 

[hbboogie1]

I guess this is, primarily, a question directed towards Angel. Although if anyone else has ideas, please feel free to chime in!

Angel, you've mentioned many times that there are three rhythms that can be danced to in any song. Can you explain what three things you're talking about?

In terms of AT (and I don't know if you mean that purely in reference to AT, or if it applies to ballroom and other genres, as well), I could see that being the primary beats, the secondary beats, and the "& counts." Or if you take it out of the realm of pure rhythm, I could see it as beats, syncopated counts ("& counts" or the "ah"--as in one ee and ah two-- count), and the melody. Or...???

Could you elaborate? Or if anyone else knows, could you please enlighten me?

As an aside, I find it interesting that I never "hear" the beats when I dance AT. Oh, sure, if I make the effort to listen I can find them without a problem. (My mom had grand hopes of me being a conductor, or at least playing some instrument, so counting the music is of absolutely no problem to me.) Of if I'm dancing with a leader who only ever steps on the beat I can't escape it. But if I'm just listening and feeling AT music, I tend to hear everything but the beat--the accents, various voices (not the singers) and instruments, the melody, if things are legato versus staccato, the building and releasing of energy/tension, any sort of swing in the music...just not the beat. I kind of like my way of listening to it...

I found a video that shows three different walking steps “ rhythms to dance to” enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wippooDL6WE

 

[Subliminal]

I found a video that shows three different walking steps “ rhythms to dance to” enjoy.

http: //www. youtube.com /watch?v=wippooDL6WE

I'm just a beginner, but it seems like the walk and rhythm demonstrated by the first performer would be more appropriate for Nuevo open styling, whereas the performers at 1:00 are doing a more traditional styling, one you would see in a close embrace in BsA. Am I off base here?

 

[dchester]

I found a video that shows three different walking steps “ rhythms to dance to” enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wippooDL6WE

I'm just a beginner, but it seems like the walk and rhythm demonstrated by the first performer would be more appropriate for Nuevo open styling, whereas the performers at 1:00 are doing a more traditional styling, one you would see in a close embrace in BsA. Am I off base here?

All I can say is that it didn't look much like Villa Urquiza style to me.

 

[jantango]

Villa Urquiza style

All I can say is that it didn't look much like Villa Urquiza style to me.

There is an interesting interview in the current issue of El Tangauta (No. 176 - June 2009) between Milena Plebs and Julio Balmaceda on the subject of the campeonatos and Villa Urquiza style preference by the judges.

To read the article, you must register at www.eltangauta.com and then download the issue in pdf format. The article is translated in English and appears at the bottom of pages 36-37.

There are only TWO places to dance these days in Villa Urquiza: Club Sin Rumbo and Club Sunderland.

 

[hbboogie1]

There is an interesting interview in the current issue of El Tangauta (No. 176 - June 2009) between Milena Plebs and Julio Balmaceda on the subject of the campeonatos and Villa Urquiza style preference by the judges.

To read the article, you must register at www.eltangauta.com and then download the issue in pdf format. The article is translated in English and appears at the bottom of pages 36-37.

There are only TWO places to dance these days in Villa Urquiza: Club Sin Rumbo and Club Sunderland.

Make that THREE places to dance in Villa Urquiza “La Argentina” Friday nights.

 

[hbboogie1]

Make that THREE places to dance in Villa Urquiza “La Argentina” Friday nights.

I meant that a third place to dance Villa Urquiza STYLE is Club La Argentina, which is located down town in the Once area on Friday nights, given the fact that there is more room to dance open style.

 

[jantango]

I meant that a third place to dance Villa Urquiza STYLE is Club La Argentina, which is located down town in the Once area on Friday nights, given the fact that there is more room to dance open style.

Are you saying that when you come to Buenos Aires, you are limited to three places where you dance the so-called "Villa Urquiza style?"

Nuevo Salon La Argentina on Bme. Mitre near Callao in San Nicolas is a large salon where the music is 50% tango/50% tropical on Friday nights, not exactly a place for tango enthusiasts. There are even larger floors in other neighborhoods.

There are two venues in Villa Urquiza for dancing: Club Sin Rumbo and Sunderland Club.

 

[hbboogie1]

There is an interesting interview in the current issue of El Tangauta (No. 176 - June 2009) between Milena Plebs and Julio Balmaceda on the subject of the campeonatos and Villa Urquiza style preference by the judges.

To read the article, you must register at www.eltangauta.com and then download the issue in pdf format. The article is translated in English and appears at the bottom of pages 36-37.

There are only TWO places to dance these days in Villa Urquiza: Club Sin Rumbo and Club Sunderland.

Jan Quote:
Are you saying that when you come to Buenos Aires, you are limited to three places where you dance the so-called "Villa Urquiza style?"

Jan I was replying to your expert post that said there were only two places to dance as you put it the "Villa Urquiza" style.
Anyone wishing to have plenty of floor space to dance without the crowds would certainly have fun at “La Argentina” on Friday nights.
When I’m in BsAs I dance at all the popular venues with the rest of the tourists, don’t you?

 

[Zoopsia59]

J
Jan I was replying to your expert post that said there were only two places to dance as you put it the "Villa Urquiza" style.

I think maybe the 2 of you are getting caught by a slight wording issue...
The difference between:

Places to dance Villa Urquiza (style)
and
Places to dance IN Villa Urquiza

With that in mind, do each other's posts make more sense?

 

[hbboogie1]

I think maybe the 2 of you are getting caught by a slight wording issue...
The difference between:

Places to dance Villa Urquiza (style)
and
Places to dance IN Villa Urquiza

With that in mind, do each other's posts make more sense?

Jans first post
Originally Posted by jantango
There is an interesting interview in the current issue of El Tangauta (No. 176 - June 2009) between Milena Plebs and Julio Balmaceda on the subject of the campeonatos and Villa Urquiza style preference by the judges.
Jans post:
There are only TWO places to dance these days in Villa Urquiza: Club Sin Rumbo and Club Sunderland.


Hbboogies first reply
Make that THREE places to dance in Villa Urquiza “La Argentina” Friday nights.

Hbboogies correction
I meant that a third place to dance Villa Urquiza STYLE is Club La Argentina, which is located down town in the Once area on Friday nights, given the fact that there is more room to dance open style.


Jans reply
Are you saying that when you come to Buenos Aires, you are limited to three places where you dance the so-called "Villa Urquiza style?"


Hbboogies reply
Jan I was replying to your expert post that said there were only two places to dance as you put it the "Villa Urquiza" style.

Yes there was some confusion as to the original post by Jan on the subject of the campeonatos and Villa Urquiza style in the current issue of El Tangauta. Jan went on to make reference to where to dance in the “Villa Urquiza” district, which is where the Villa Urquiza style is danced.

My second post was simply naming a third option to dance the “Villa Urquiza” style in the downtown district. I can see how confusing it could be especially if someone failed to read that second “correction post” Sorry for the confusion.

PS It's like dancing a milonga at a milonga could get confusing at times to those that don't know.