What Is Tango Doing Right/Wrong: Recruiting and Retaining

..I still say that there was no need to "rediscover" tango since it had been danced continuously in BA all those years..
After the divorce, I started dancing tango. In the beginners' classes, I occasionally met porteños. The Argentine consul and vice-consul were in that class and among my friends. When they returned to BsAs after some years, either claimed to have been dancing tango his entire live. Another porteño in my beginners' class stayed in Hamburg, married, and became a tango teacher. His CV on the website states that he already cut his teeth into tango as a child. These are examples of how Argentinians create continuity.
 
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Because Ballroom is well aware of it's traditions. We literally wrote them down! In fact, the codification of that tradition--partly realized in the form of the Syllabus--is one of the things that dancers of other styles hold AGAINST Ballroom, precisely because it hinders evolution and innovation. So right off the bat, this argument sounds incoherent. Folks simultaneously hold that Ballroom is soulless because it is divorced from its history, and soulless because it has preserved that history so strongly that we have codified rules for how to dance it. Make up your minds!
I think there are probably two different things here. Codification of the steps, and separation of a dance from the history of the dance. I don't think the steps are the cultural aspects of a dance. And to be frank, I don't care much about the separation of, e.g., Viennese Waltz or other dances of the European aristocracy, from its history.

I think where the criticism focuses is when ballroom (especially the Latin / Rhythm side) imports and hyperexaggerates the forms of living dances of people of lower socioeconomic classes while simultaneously separating and erasing the history and culture of the original dances from the study of the ballroomized forms. To make matter worse, the people of the cultures who originated the dance, dancing it as passed down from the originators of the dance, are often looked down as just "club dancers".

Contrary to preservation, the codification of steps is actually part of the erasure of the culture of dances like Lindy Hop, where creation of new steps is valued.
 
To make matter worse, the people of the cultures who originated the dance, dancing it as passed down from the originators of the dance, are often looked down as just "club dancers".
This is extremely bad. Absolutely.

It is, however, an attitude that competitors take, not social Ballroomers. Competitive culture contains a lot of toxic elements, affectations of superiority not least among them.

I think where the criticism focuses is when ballroom (especially the Latin / Rhythm side) imports and hyperexaggerates the forms of living dances of people of lower socioeconomic classes while simultaneously separating and erasing the history and culture of the original dances from the study of the ballroomized forms.
I mostly agree with the general sentiment here. Objecting to some of the history of Ballroomization on race/class-conscious lines makes sense to me, which is why I do not immediately condemn the double-standard you mention for Viennese Waltz vs. International Latin. At the most generous, we can say that Ballroom's relationship to other dances is similar to Elvis' relationship with the black rock & rollers of his day: as much as he may have tried to honor and credit his influences, people paid more attention to him than his influences for structurally racist reasons. And his black musical contemporaries had mixed and passionate feelings about that.

Instead, the grounds on which I would challenge this in the current context are narrower. The core of Ballroomization is a desire to make dance easily learnable. It does not and has never pretended to be reaching for authenticity or historicity. It does not claim to be part of the direct lineage of club/street/folk dances. Ballroom is the dance equivalent of a children's book "based on a true story," and part of the learning of it does include a discussion of "based on what." If the Ballroom forms had overwhelmed or overshadowed the original lineage of the dances they imitate, as Elvis largely did, I might be on fully board with the objection. But they haven't.
 
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If the Ballroom forms had overwhelmed or overshadowed the original lineage of the dances they imitate, as Elvis largely did, I might be on fully board with the objection. But they haven't.
I think the average non dancer in the US actually does think “tango” refers to the ballroom version.
The few times I mention I dance tango to friends / acquaintances, they immediately think I do the ballroom version or something that looks like Dancing With The Stars and I have to correct them that it’s nothing like that…
 
I think the average non dancer in the US actually does think “tango” refers to the ballroom version.
The few times I mention I dance tango to friends / acquaintances, they immediately think I do the ballroom version or something that looks like Dancing With The Stars and I have to correct them that it’s nothing like that…
Of course they do. Americans have a direct cultural connection to American Tango, and mostly not to Argentine. "Tango," sans modifier, can be understood to refer to either--or International, if that is in the mix.

What they see on DwtS is none of the above; it is Showdance, and nobody on any social floor will move that way. From what I've seen, Argentine and American-based stylings are roughly equally in evidence on the show.

Regardless, I don't think that the knowledge of non-dancers is a meaningful measure of anything. We cannot expect them to automatically understand that showdance and social dance are different, and that even the Argentine-based showdances on DwtS are quite unlike what you do. We also can't expect them to understand that dances have different forms.

Now, if it were the case that American Tango dancers did not realize that there was such a thing as Argentine Tango, you would have grounds to stay that the history had been lost or the original style overshadowed. But that isn't the case. American Tango dancers are well aware of this lineage.
 
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..What they see on DwtS is none of the above; it is Showdance.. From what I've seen, Argentine- and American-based stylings are roughly equally in evidence on the show..
Fully agree, concerning "they"!

But when we watch we see the meticulous artifacts that reveal which tango style each instructor learned first (despite those generous borrowing from other styles and dances). However, the American variant doesn't appear in the European broadcast offshoots. I'm curious to see if Smooth and Rhythm will gain traction and spread here. We lack those franchise chains, whose DNA includes these styles. Affiliated organizations would have to be convinced. But perhaps European dance instructors will be attracted by the Pro-Am business?
 
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I think the average non dancer in the US actually does think “tango” refers to the ballroom version.
The few times I mention I dance tango to friends / acquaintances, they immediately think I do the ballroom version or something that looks like Dancing With The Stars and I have to correct them that it’s nothing like that…
I think more think of Argentine tango rather than ballroom tango because it shows better in movies. The tango in movies like Scent of a woman, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, True Lies, Assassination tango all stay away from a ballroom vibe. But I’m old so maybe the young kids think differently.
 
I went to university to study in 1976. I enjoyed eating lunch at the tables where the porteños sat. I asked every new student about tango. (I'd always been interested in tango, especially since I owned a bandoneón.) This allowed me to get an idea of the situation. The topic of tango was extremely polarizing. Some were outraged, others disgusted, most were uninterested. Tango wasn't dead! The outraged considered tango a way to approach a prostitute. The uninterested knew tango as their parents' dance, danced at family gatherings or at sports club socials. A public milonga scene seemed not to exist.
These sound like rather outdated attitudes for 1976. Maybe for 1956, but not in the mid-seventies. I could see disinterest or ignorance as being more common. (Did you go to school in B.A.?)
 
... I think more think of Argentine tango rather than ballroom tango because it shows better in movies.

As an American with a heavy TV/movie screen influence in my youth, I was confused and about ballroom tango and what I saw on DWTS for tango for quite some time. The movies that influenced my initial perceptions all glamorized the stylings associated Argentine Tango.

As someone with limited exposure to formalized dance until university, I didn't realize there was more than one version of tango. I wondered why people were doing it wrong, or at best - wondered why they were not doing the more showy/exciting steps/figures I expected to see.

And, honestly, DF further blew my mind at how vast the world of tango can be with its multiple variations/versions. Always something new to learn here...
 
there was nothing happening between 1960 and 1990 in BA with respect to tango, which is obviously not the case.
1976-83 was the period of dictatorship, the 'Dirty War', in Argentina. Whilst it's not true to say nothing happened, it was reportedly severely constrained (to avoid plotting in the dark of the milonga) whilst RnR, with youth, wasn't. What happened with Argentine Tango was predominantly outside Argentina with ex-pat Argentinians on tour with AT shows - which brought it to a wider international audience and an interest in other countries. Those artistes are now deceased, retired, or considering retirement - and there's a new generation trying to make their fortune abroad and take over.

I think there's still some history online of the development of the London Tango scene of that era. Nikki Preddy of London's Pavadita used to have some old photos online and there used to be a history of 'The Crypt' at the 'El Once' club. It's introduction noted:
I don’t suppose for one minute that it might have crossed Margaret Thatcher’s mind that the political aspirations and machinations regarding The Falkland Islands would have an indirect impact on the early days of tango in London and the UK in general.

There's doubtless similar records for other countries - Berlin, El Corte in the Netherlands, etc.
 
1976-83 was the period of dictatorship, the 'Dirty War', in Argentina. Whilst it's not true to say nothing happened, it was reportedly severely constrained (to avoid plotting in the dark of the milonga) whilst RnR, with youth, wasn't. What happened with Argentine Tango was predominantly outside Argentina with ex-pat Argentinians on tour with AT shows
Yes, I'm familiar with the history.. However, porteños and others who had danced previously didn't simply stop dancing. What fell into disfavor because of political pressure where the large gatherings, the street festivals and dances, and the larger milongas with 100+ people. Small, neighborhood venues remained active though. It was a terrible time, indeed (and not the first period of government repression), but not exactly the dark ages either.
 
However, porteños and others who had danced previously didn't simply stop dancing. What fell into disfavor because of political pressure where the large gatherings, the street festivals and dances, and the larger milongas with 100+ people. Small, neighborhood venues remained active
Yes 'something' happened, however it was the consequences of the diaspora which interested and recruited people during and after that era (and it certainly wasn't the old códigos).
 

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