What Is Tango Doing Right/Wrong: Recruiting and Retaining

As a consequence of this thread, I purposely observed and took note last night of all my dances at my regular milonga.

Of the 16 or 17 tandas I danced last night with 10 different partners:

Two of the partners danced fairly large technical moves rather Nuevo-ish but mostly in closed embrace with occasional shifts between contact between chests, right cheek or left cheek with occasional opening - my arm was almost always at least past their spine, though, and the shifts in embrace were just enough to have fleeting eye contact and observe the guy smiling. (One guy has this thing to pull his head back to see if I’m smiling after each time he does a 360° subtle colgada.)

Two other guys I danced mostly parallel and traditional with, but not closed embrace - heads only touching maybe 1/3 of the time and with a fairly vertical posture.

The remaining 6 partners were closed embrace, encuentro style. 2 of these guys were new to me. They both invited me immediately following a tanda where I danced rather open and active but their dances were very closed. So I guess they hadn’t blacklisted me as someone not able to dance milonguero style just because they saw me dance more open. I had not observed them before I accepted their invitations, so I didn’t know what to expect. Besides, I don’t judge a dancer from watching them. (One of the new guys visiting had a very subtle delicious musicality thing going on, invisible from outside the embrace.)

So, the first few moments are spent adjusting to each other and whatever develops from there in terms of embrace just happens naturally. Not just the new-to-me guys, but some of the others, depending on the music, the energy, and the space, dance different styles with me from one time to another.

Nobody gave any hints of their preferences with arm gestures, like what @opendoor suggests. I’ve never heard of that outside of this forum. If it had been standardized across international scenes, I can see the utility of it, though. But it could also lock people into a certain way instead of letting the moment evolve naturally.

I had this topic fresh in mind and had planned to observe both my partners and when others start out dancing.

For reference, all of the above partners have danced between 10 and 30 years, I gather. One exception slightly less and a bit rusty after a break.
 
..Two of the partners danced fairly large technical moves rather Nuevo-ish but mostly in closed embrace with occasional shifts between contact between chests, right cheek or left cheek with occasional opening...
I like it when the follower lets her left hand glide up and down between my neck, shoulder, upper arm, and elbow, fluidly and intuitively adapting her posture to the movement. It feels completely organic and synced then.
 
Subtle smile or subtle colgada? What is a 360 degree subtle colgada?
Not a very precise vocabulary from my side, I’m sure there’s a real term for it. But as a follower I don’t make a point of knowing the names for each move in the vocabulary. For me, a full-blown ‘normal’ colgada is one where there’s a considerable leaning out (sitting) off-axis, the follower steps over the lead’s leg and there’s a big 360° pivot created from the momentum of the step. The kind of subtle colgada (for lack of better terminology) I was referring to, is this stealthily prepped one from a sandwich, suddenly you pivot 360° with shared axis but a mostly vertical posture. This swooshing feeling from centrifugal forces that comes as a surprise always makes me smile. Both because of the surprise and the swooshy feeling, akin to feeling swept of you feet both figuratively and cartoon-like literally. The prep is subtle. I know there are other types of colgadas but those are the ones I know best.
 
Not a very precise vocabulary from my side, I’m sure there’s a real term for it. But as a follower I don’t make a point of knowing the names for each move in the vocabulary. For me, a full-blown ‘normal’ colgada is one where there’s a considerable leaning out (sitting) off-axis, the follower steps over the lead’s leg and there’s a big 360° pivot created from the momentum of the step. The kind of subtle colgada (for lack of better terminology) I was referring to, is this stealthily prepped one from a sandwich, suddenly you pivot 360° with shared axis but a mostly vertical posture. This swooshing feeling from centrifugal forces that comes as a surprise always makes me smile. Both because of the surprise and the swooshy feeling, akin to feeling swept of you feet both figuratively and cartoon-like literally. The prep is subtle. I know there are other types of colgadas but those are the ones I know best.
You mean these type (but a full 360)?


 
You mean these type (but a full 360)?


Or may be this:


Which is a 360 degrees shared axis turn.
 
Or may be this:


Which is a 360 degrees shared axis turn.
Yes variations of all those 3. Close embrace colgadas and 360° shared axis turns. The differences in how they feel for a follower are tiny. What’s going on logistically from the leader’s perspective is not on my mind when I get this thrown at me. Now, a colgada with a large send-out in open embrace, I know what’s being prepped (IF well prepped!), so I have to react quickly with a slight sitting action and plank the core and hope the leader has a good judgement of counterweight. In fact, my worst experiences with colgadas are with tall strong guys whose partners are tiny skinny women and they think they know how to do a colgada. My best experiences are mostly with shorter guys who have good enough technique and experience to judge how far back a lean they need to go to compensate for height and weight differences.

You brought up Clint’s video above. I remember taking a private lesson with him back in 2018 where I asked him to spend the whole lesson on colgadas! Although I’m considerably taller than him, he has the strength, weight, technique, and teaching skills to make it feel easy for me. He’s an amazing instructor, BTW. And fantastic DJ. I’ve taken a good number of workshops with him and Shelly ever since I was an advanced beginner (most recently, a workshop earlier this year). He also was the first person to put me into a leading role in a workshop once where there were too many woman. I felt way in over my head, but he helped me through it and I still remember a lot and still apply a lot of what I learned in that first workshop from him.
 
You brought up Clint’s video above. I remember taking a private lesson with him back in 2018 where I asked him to spend the whole lesson on colgadas! Although I’m considerably taller than him, he has the strength, weight, technique, and teaching skills to make it feel easy for me. He’s an amazing instructor, BTW. And fantastic DJ. I’ve taken a good number of workshops with him and Shelly ever since I was an advanced beginner (most recently, a workshop earlier this year). He also was the first person to put me into a leading role in a workshop once where there were too many woman. I felt way in over my head, but he helped me through it and I still remember a lot and still apply a lot of what I learned in that first workshop from him.
I saw a few of his videos last night. He is better than most at teaching. He makes it simpler and gives a good breakdown. He also demonstrated volcada with both V type and parallel type in one his videos.
 
I'd just go with 'shared-axis turns'. Some have a tendency towards colgada (nowadays).

Grrr, spell-checkers!
'sunset'=subset

Maybe a 'sunset', and old UK slang, 'Goodnight Vienna' when it fails!
I was scratching my head on what sunset might mean :D and was going to ask what’s that!
 

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