What is Tango Nuevo?
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opendoor
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@ ME ... wonder what she is heading for ...
@ BTM
Ok, I comply with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_tango#Tango_Nuevo
@ ME (excellent !) ... must got to do with ..
@ BTM
may you help me with Humpty Dumpty ?
@ BTM
Ok, I comply with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_tango#Tango_Nuevo
@ ME (excellent !) ... must got to do with ..
@ BTM
may you help me with Humpty Dumpty ?
Read this article, still the best I've seen on the subject.
http://www.totango.net/salas.html
I do believe that Salas says they did in fact invent the back boleo, but little else.
regarding the use of certain letter combinations...
Surely, you can think of a 4 letter word beginning in "f" that might be caught by filters because it might offend people?)
http://www.totango.net/salas.html
I do believe that Salas says they did in fact invent the back boleo, but little else.
regarding the use of certain letter combinations...
Surely, you can think of a 4 letter word beginning in "f" that might be caught by filters because it might offend people?)
opendoor
Forum Master
Hello Steve, please take a look at this old vid at about 1:11 (and 1:26). Ain´t there boleos, not very graceful but with front and backwarts movements.
How does that relate to the use of the word "re-fresh-ing" which does not begin with f nor have 4 letters?
The filter apparently looks for a combination of letters. That would prevent someone from embedding it among other letters.
Hey, someone wrote that code, and I'm just trying to figure out how it works. But I'm not the filter expert. Got other things to do.
Hey, someone wrote that code, and I'm just trying to figure out how it works. But I'm not the filter expert. Got other things to do.
Can't do youtube.
Based on what I read in the article (a long time ago) I'd be willing to bet Salas would admit that he misspoke, or whatever. And it could be that I remember what is in there incorrectly. It's been a long time (he repeats). Lots of talented people are very humble about what they've done/ are doing. Their accomplishments speak for them.
But you don't have to be perfect.
Based on what I read in the article (a long time ago) I'd be willing to bet Salas would admit that he misspoke, or whatever. And it could be that I remember what is in there incorrectly. It's been a long time (he repeats). Lots of talented people are very humble about what they've done/ are doing. Their accomplishments speak for them.
But you don't have to be perfect.
Angel HI
Well-Known Member
What is Nuevo?
...sometimes, we are wro...wr...wro...
...sometimes things happen.
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What the heck is tango nuevo? What began as a perceived more natural way of teaching/expressing the movement/s of tango has evolved into a more opened, floating form of dance and shared expression, and dance of its own.
Without going back to research it, I believe that your ban was an error, and later rescinded. Sorry, sometimes we make er..er...err...
...sometimes, we are wro...wr...wro...
...sometimes things happen.
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Firstly, let's clear up the terminology. For our purpose, here, let's not distinguish between nuevo and neo. In the U.S., the term nuevo is most acceptable. Secondly, I believe that you have a background in other forms of dance. At its most simplistic, think of nuevo as being to AT what international is to american bronze ballroom. One is concerned of rudimentary elements; the other is concerned of free flowing movement.
Actually, quite alot can be gained from it. Of course, the purist hate it b/c it is not tango as they know it (reminds me of how my parents didn't like things of my generation, and I have a certain reserve for several things of my little daughter's generation). However, nuevo's main component is the natural float of the movement, and the natural float of the movement as it crosses traditionally argentine tango characteristics.
I shared before a moment during a workshop, when Cecilia Gonzalez (who is partnering Fabian on the DVDs that you mentioned) was asked how one can remember all of the stuff that she was teaching. She looked at me...looked at the fellow who asked the question, and said, "What do you want to do that for?" She later explained that dance is not arithmetic (in your case, engineering), and told the guy to just allow his body to follow what she is doing, and assimilate what he could. To take back whatever he could, and, most importantly, don't try to do it like her, but to make it his own. This also, further, answers the question, what good it does the ordinary dancer.
What the heck is tango nuevo? What began as a perceived more natural way of teaching/expressing the movement/s of tango has evolved into a more opened, floating form of dance and shared expression, and dance of its own.
larrynla
Member
The System useful for teaching?
So, from these replies and some articles linked to here and elsewhere, it seems as if Naveira and Salas did not invent a new version of tango. Instead they invented a new way to look at it.
Their first motivation, Salas says, was to preserve what they saw distinguished milongueros (many of whom were aging and passing on) do. By around 2000 Salas, at least, hoped their system could also make it easier to teach beginners.
He seems to have given up that idea. In the first of the three intro-to-tango videos he and Cecilia Gonzalez made he used the 8-count-basic as a skeleton to hang the ideas of walking, the embrace, walking in an embrace, the woman's cross, the tango close, and ochos. Then he covers half- and full-turns in both clockwise and counterclockwise directions.
In the second video he elaborates on the walk he introduced in video 1: forward, backward, inside and outside one's partner's feet, parallel- and cross- feet walks, and the back-cross for the man. In the third he elaborates on the turns he introduced in video 1, adding planeos and enrosques and showing combinations such as giros ending with back ochos.
I wonder if anyone uses The System (or whatever Naveira and Salas call it) to teach tango. And if so, who? And with what success?
Larry de Los Angeles
So, from these replies and some articles linked to here and elsewhere, it seems as if Naveira and Salas did not invent a new version of tango. Instead they invented a new way to look at it.
Their first motivation, Salas says, was to preserve what they saw distinguished milongueros (many of whom were aging and passing on) do. By around 2000 Salas, at least, hoped their system could also make it easier to teach beginners.
He seems to have given up that idea. In the first of the three intro-to-tango videos he and Cecilia Gonzalez made he used the 8-count-basic as a skeleton to hang the ideas of walking, the embrace, walking in an embrace, the woman's cross, the tango close, and ochos. Then he covers half- and full-turns in both clockwise and counterclockwise directions.
In the second video he elaborates on the walk he introduced in video 1: forward, backward, inside and outside one's partner's feet, parallel- and cross- feet walks, and the back-cross for the man. In the third he elaborates on the turns he introduced in video 1, adding planeos and enrosques and showing combinations such as giros ending with back ochos.
I wonder if anyone uses The System (or whatever Naveira and Salas call it) to teach tango. And if so, who? And with what success?
Larry de Los Angeles
bastet
Active Member
Actually I have had more than a couple of classes from teachers who have taught a class I took using the open steps versus crossed steps idea, and learned some really nice excersizes for flow that go with the concepts.
I think conceptually, it's too much for outright beginners....but as someone get's their feet under them, and starts to gain some vocabulary, it's a really good way to put a lot of ideas in to another perspective, and I think it's easy enough for a teaher to start planting the ideas of open versus crossed early on.
Angel HI
Well-Known Member
Nice insight.
Yes. I have. Salas and Gonzalez are 2 of my later coaches (Ceci actually started close to when I did, if that tells you, anything).
I, nor the students, have trouble w/ it. The Salas/Naveira systeme of movement is not limited to what they admittedly worngly call crossed feet. Their systeme of movement simply allows for an expansion of the basics of traditional tango, which naturally created options that, priorly, were unfavored or did not exist. It is not really a difficult systeme to understand, though, it can be a :headwall: to dance.
bordertangoman
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larrynla;631255 [FONT=Arial said:
I think this is what Mauricio Castro uses in his book Structure of the Dance and in his DVDs.
The book is hard to comprehend but the three Dvds I found useful.
Dave Bailey
Active Member
OK, maybe I'm completely confused, but I think of it in terms of walking vs. circling.
To me, traditional tango (salon style, I guess) is about the walk, walking in the line of dance, with occasional embellishments.
To me, nuevo tango style is about two dancers circling around either other - the key element is the concept of the circle.
Does that make sense?
To me, traditional tango (salon style, I guess) is about the walk, walking in the line of dance, with occasional embellishments.
To me, nuevo tango style is about two dancers circling around either other - the key element is the concept of the circle.
Does that make sense?
