Your 2010 AT resolutions?

Dave Bailey said:
The way I've worked it out is that you should only make "To-Do" type resolutions, rather than "be a better person" stuff. Things you can actually achieve.

So you can look back in (say) 6 months and say "Have I done / started this yet", and if not, that's a reminder.

It's a theory...
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Have you not read my post. My "to do" rez (as it were) is 20 years old. It usually starts midnight 31st and ends somewhere in Jan/Feb/'Mar the following year. To be a better person (for me that is living in a constant state of reality check and seeing that yes, people do have it worse than me (i.e. snow nightmare with the trains this morning..BUT...Haiti got hit by an earthquake yesterday and 100s are dead - which one of the two is a major inconvenience for humankind) trust me, has lasted many, many years.
 
Heather2007 said:
Have you not read my post. My "to do" rez (as it were) is 20 years old. It usually starts midnight 31st and ends somewhere in Jan/Feb/'Mar the following year. To be a better person (for me that is living in a constant state of reality check and seeing that yes, people do have it worse than me (i.e. snow nightmare with the trains this morning..BUT...Haiti got hit by an earthquake yesterday and 100s are dead - which one of the two is a major inconvenience for humankind) trust me, has lasted many, many years.
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my res is to dance with you...:)
 
Madahlia said:
This I find hard to believe!
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Believe. Oh, believe.

Finding a dance partner, who you dance well with, who's at the right level (i.e. your own) to help you, who you can regularly practice with, who you work well with, and who available at times and places which match your own diary, is bloody difficult.

I'll admit that it's probably easier for a man, but that's far from "easy".

It's far easier to find other kinds of partners...
 
Lilly_of_the_valley said:
- practicing with the same partner makes her learn to compensate for the above mentioned partner's quirks, and not much more
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Not if you're aware of that weakness and compensate for it. For example, by working on technique rather than moves or sequences.

Lilly_of_the_valley said:
-that unlearning the above mentioned bad habits acquired from working with the same amateur partner requires time and money spent on private lessons (that could have been much more effectively spent on private lessons right from the start anyway)
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So don't acquire the habits in the first place ;)

Lilly_of_the_valley said:
-committed partnerships are not easy. Working in close quarters with a person who is trying to learn a complicated skill of leading might become stressful on many occasions.
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Yes, which is why it's important to find someone with a compatible attitude, that is, someone who can work productively and contructively with you, and vice versa of course.

Lilly_of_the_valley said:
-a lot of stuff a follower may and should practice upon does not require a partner.
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Yes - balance, dissociation and so on.

On the other hand, a lot of stuff does require a partner, and you don't get the benefit of feedback.

Basically I don't think beginners should be practice partners to each other, but I think it's very useful once you gain a certain level of experience.
 
Dave Bailey said:
Not if you're aware of that weakness and compensate for it. For example, by working on technique rather than moves or sequences.
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...compensating for... the compensation? I guess you'll finish... compensating the compensation of compensation!! ;)
Sure working on technique is better than memorizing moves or sequencies, but I don't think it will resolve the problem of practicing with the same partner.
Yes, which is why it's important to find someone with a compatible attitude, that is, someone who can work productively and contructively with you, and vice versa of course.
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Finding such a partner is not difficult... it's virtually impossible, because if you really want to learn, you don't need a partner at your level, you need a partner that is better than you.
If you are a follow, you need someone who can lead you, not someone who is trying to learn a complicated skill of leading. If you are a leader, you need a patient follow that will not anticipate and that will not try to compensate your errors, which is not so easy.
The only way to achieve this, is going to milongas and practicas, dancing with many people.

If you are going to do a show, things are different: you are supposed to do what you can do, your priority is not learning but giving the best performance.
 
Lilly_of_the_valley said:
- practicing with the same partner makes her learn to compensate for the above mentioned partner's quirks, and not much more
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Agreed but when finding *one* follower who will attend one class being already difficult enough to become my resolution for the year, searching *multiple* partners who will also agree to practice *between* the classes is not an option.


Lilly_of_the_valley said:
-that unlearning the above mentioned bad habits acquired from working with the same amateur partner requires time and money spent on private lessons (that could have been much more effectively spent on private lessons right from the start anyway)
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Hiring a teacher for a private practice is something I have tried too but it does not work either because the teacher remains a teacher, even after agreeing that she has to be a mere partner. At some point she will say "Ok I just can't follow if you keep this abrazo|distance|posture|whatever, your abrazo|distance|posture|whatever should be like this..."

Lilly_of_the_valley said:
-a lot of stuff a follower may and should practice upon does not require a partner.
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And what about learning to follow? Most followers with whom I dance will take their same usual step, whatever I lead a small or a large one, and will do their same and usual pivot, whatever I lead a small or big one.

There are enough teachers here to attend one class every day. But the one partner I have is willing to attend one class per month and not more. If I ask other followers, much less skilled than my partner and even than myself, the answer is "Oh I'd like to but...". They are the same followers who invite me when in a milonga. My resolution for this year is to stop being upset by this situation where the lack of dedication by followers prevents any progress in my tango.
 
chanchan said:
if you really want to learn, you don't need a partner at your level, you need a partner that is better than you.
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I believe what gets us dancing better is simply dancing at our best, so the partner one needs is simply the partner that works for that. For many, that's a partner at a higher level. For some, it's one less inhibiting, at similar or lower level.

If you are a follow, you need someone who can lead you, not someone who is trying to learn a complicated skill of leading.
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Agreed 100%. Many a girl believes it took her two years to learn to dance, whereas actually it took two years for her guy to learn to dance, and hence two years for her to discover she could already dance!

The only way to achieve this, is going to milongas and practicas, dancing with many people.
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Good point, especially if you're learning in class, where you don't find many different people because bulk teaching substantially erases the differences.
 
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