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  1. J

    The "dark side" of Tango scene

    Of course it didn't make sense. It was a fashion/style fad promoted by a teacher/dancer to make money from the innocent (meaning the unknowing). It never worked for me and it was my first experience of any kind of tango. Sometimes these experiences are useful towards eventually sorting the...
  2. J

    The "dark side" of Tango scene

    You don't think that today's open moves/movements qualify as being influenced by modern dance? Every time I see a couple executing a so-called iconic tango move while ignoring the music I am reminded of classes I once occasionally attended attempting the fusion of tango and jive. Amir coined...
  3. J

    The "dark side" of Tango scene

    We are on the same page here! I agree totally about the disruptive influence of classical dance and about looking to African and Cuban dance for clues. Tango is a grounded dance, or at least it should be to connect with the music, the opposite of a floating dance. Of course Argentines...
  4. J

    The "dark side" of Tango scene

    Good luck in finding a coach you can trust! I have never found a one "best" but many, many confusions. So my recommendation is to spread the net widely, do your own research and make your own decisions. Many will be the wrong decisions but they are all part of learning any skill. Allow...
  5. J

    The "dark side" of Tango scene

    No it doesn't. And my answer isn't any more valid than your question! In my early days of going to milongas I was once told by a sometime teacher that after three years you don't get any better. That wasn't right for me although it may have been for him. It's the individual who dances with...
  6. J

    Emphasized pauses and jerky moves in your community?

    They are dance performances, of a rather contrived style to attract attention and innocent (naive?) pupils. It's a yet another commercial dance school teaching a dance style inappropriate for social dancing alongside other couples on a dancefloor. Does anything else really need to be said?
  7. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    Yes indeed. Their dances are merely visual representations.
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    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    Don't address the problem, blame some others instead. Nuevo is inherently erratic in its movement and influence. For those who can only walk, walking on a crowded floor is not such a problem to others, mainly to themselves because they cannot walk nor do much else besides pausing. I don't...
  9. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    In my experience what happens is quite different. Your reduced movements are not reduced enough. The pseudo show/nuevo dancers do their thing, often badly, while using more than their fair share of available space. Those who can dance small on a crowded floor avoid them and/or work around...
  10. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    I agree, but it is only human nature and not just Argentines. It's best avoiding speculation yourself about a distant dance (in time and distance) unless you absolutely do know better. Other probably more deeply researched opinions would seem to dispute this. Oh what irony! Don't let...
  11. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    This thread has evolved into something completely different!
  12. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    !!! And a compartmentalist! Too much thinking going on . .
  13. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    Are you confusing Los Totis with Tati? Tati appears yet again at Cachirulo with Ricardo Suarez more than once. She seemed to have been a favourite there. There's nothing recent. I say seemed because of this...
  14. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    There you go with "looks" again. You need to feel the consequences. You can experiment with your own body although the results depend on your own abilities, fitness and self-awareness. Be careful not to be influenced by your own preconceptions. Put yourself in the woman's left arm position as...
  15. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    Strange, you post a video to see if I like it better, I tell you I do but with caveats, you challenge the caveats. Is there any point in having a discussion with you? If you don't know the difference between embraces, you have never tried all the possible variants. This is visible though. Look...
  16. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    Published under a modest headline: "The Real Tango"! Better than the Costas but not great. Stressed embrace to lock themselves together, no dissociation to speak of, predominately she is a two footed dancer. And an odd choice of musicality at times, performing slow movements while the music...
  17. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    I should not have "to acknowledge the mastery" ! I'm entitled to my own opinion which was actually being sought. I'm certainly not telling anyone else how to dance, but I am able to explain what I do and also, as it happens, usually what others do as you have already appreciated. Styles in...
  18. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    Horrible! This is a classic example of Tango reduced to a walk and pauses utilising step projection, bending the standing leg, taut unnatural embrace, heel lead and bad posture. There's so much more to Tango than this.
  19. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    To me, it's wrong. While to @opendoor, probably it's good! And while you can dance like that (well not without connection) this way of dancing comes from performance. If you watch the Ricardo Vidort videos you'll see no step projection, his step is the very extreme opposite in which his step...
  20. J

    Contradictions in teaching “caminar”

    Not really! Only by making inferences from what you have written which could easily be wrong. For instance when you mention projection, projection of what? One of my teachers when talking of projection would mean chest projection and yet @opendoor would mean projection of the foot and/or leg...
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