Determining skill by watching

AndaBien

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... if you start to sing during a dance is it a sign of dissatisfaction? I always take singing as a good thing -- in fact I love it when it happens...
I don't interpret it as dissatisfaction, rather as a sign of distraction. I don't think it's possible for my partner to sing and still give full attention to the dance I am trying to give her. I don't think she, or I, could sing any more than we could talk and still give full attention to the dance.
 

dchester

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A question to the followers:

Have any of you ever starting singing during a tanda, and if so, was it because you were really enjoying yourself, or was it because you were bored?

OK, I guess it's really a couple questions, but you get the idea (I'm trying to find out if I've been missing out on something).

:cool:
 

twnkltoz

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I never sing in public, but I can't talk and dance a good dance at the same time, other than the occasional "nice!" or "well led!" but if he's really keeping me on my toes, I can't even do that. The only ones I can converse with (I know, you're not supposed to, but if they start it I go along) are the beginners who don't do much. Even that's a struggle for me, but maybe singing takes less brain power than talking if you've heard the song a million times? Heck, with some leaders I don't have the breath to spare for talking or singing, let alone brain power.
 

Zoopsia59

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I'm normally a lurker around here but I couldn't resist this. Followers, if you start to sing during a dance is it a sign of dissatisfaction? I always take singing as a good thing -- in fact I love it when it happens.

Just wanted to check that I haven't completely misinterpreted this and missed lots of 'cries for help' over the years! Everyone's different, of course...
I would thnk that if the follower is singing, it shows an unusual level of familiarity with the music playing, and that should be a good thing.

I suppose if she's singing a different song, that would indicate a problem you need to address!
 

Zoopsia59

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Me too! At the very least, it suggests that my partner is aware that there IS music, and has made some connection with it.

Of course, if they're humming a different song, you know you're in trouble ...

And if you've been 'lurking' anyway, perhaps it's out of place, but welcome to DF.
oops... should have read ahead... UKD beat me to it!
 

Zoopsia59

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A question to the followers:

Have any of you ever starting singing during a tanda, and if so, was it because you were really enjoying yourself, or was it because you were bored?

OK, I guess it's really a couple questions, but you get the idea (I'm trying to find out if I've been missing out on something).

:cool:
I don't know the lyrics to AT music (and don't speak Spanish) I have been known to sing along to cortinas though. ;)
 

Zoopsia59

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I never sing in public, but I can't talk and dance a good dance at the same time, other than the occasional "nice!" or "well led!" but if he's really keeping me on my toes, I can't even do that. The only ones I can converse with (I know, you're not supposed to, but if they start it I go along) are the beginners who don't do much. Even that's a struggle for me, but maybe singing takes less brain power than talking if you've heard the song a million times? Heck, with some leaders I don't have the breath to spare for talking or singing, let alone brain power.
I can sing and dance at the same time, but I don't know if I can sing and follow (a partnered improvised social dance) at the same time. I've never had the opportunity since I don't know any of the lyrics to the songs typically played.
 

bastet

Active Member
I'll only sing if someone is singing with me...you wouldn't want to hear me sing by myself! (And usually it's just something we are familiar with or find amusing for a moment, not a whole song, like Biagi Cielito Mio where it's good until you start going "Ay, ay, ay, ay, canta y no llores...")
 
A question to the followers:

Have any of you ever starting singing during a tanda, and if so, was it because you were really enjoying yourself, or was it because you were bored?
How odd. I *always* sing in my head when I dance and humm the tune if I know/suspect that the leader doesn't mind. I stop singing in my head when I am NOT enjoying the dance.
Interesting that Joaquin Amenabar believes that singing while dancing is a crucial tool in teaching people to dance musically
 

bordertangoman

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How odd. I *always* sing in my head when I dance and humm the tune if I know/suspect that the leader doesn't mind. I stop singing in my head when I am NOT enjoying the dance.
Interesting that Joaquin Amenabar believes that singing while dancing is a crucial tool in teaching people to dance musically
while in agreement with the above, one of my favourite dancers is a music teacher. we have a special embrace; her right hand is clamped over my mouth....:(
 

JohnEm

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How odd. I *always* sing in my head when I dance and humm the tune if I know/suspect that the leader doesn't mind. I stop singing in my head when I am NOT enjoying the dance.
Hope you don't mind me saying so but I find this extremely . . . odd!

This is the most connected partner dance of all yet as a follower you
are choosing which part of a multi-layered tune to individually and
separately concentrate on. Surely you should be "listening" (silently!)
to your partner and the tune.

In my experience people who sing in my ear are not connected with me
and by such singing are overriding my interpretation of the music. In jive
such intrusion to connection is sometimes called "noise" even when it's
silent (bouncing arms for instance), your singing is noisy "noise"!

So please don't sing in my ear but concentrate on working out what
part of the tune your partner is dancing to, if he's musical it will keep
changing during the dance and you'll be kept plenty occupied.

Interesting that Joaquin Amenabar believes that singing while dancing is a crucial tool in teaching people to dance musically
I have no experience of him but singing while dancing isn't crucial at all -
it's off-putting - but listening when dancing is crucial.

However, whatever it takes to develop connection with the music is fine.
I'm never sure that an academic approach is appropriate nor musicality
being taught by musicians who have an analytical and technical perception
that dancers dancing in the moment don't need.

Lots of listening away from the dance floor is key for me.
It's an alien music to most of us when we first hear it, when argentines
started dancing they already were familiar with it and presumably those
who started dancing were moved to dance by the music. In other words
they had dance and musical connection within them.

So first you have to find your way of connecting to the music and then
when and if the music moves you to move, move on your own.
To move with a partner, first you have to be able to move yourself.
 

bordertangoman

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Hope you don't mind me saying so but I find this extremely . . . odd!

This is the most connected partner dance of all yet as a follower you
are choosing which part of a multi-layered tune to individually and
separately concentrate on. Surely you should be "listening" (silently!)
to your partner and the tune.

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This IMO is odd; one of the loveliest dances I had a lady was singing along to Flores de Alma

and I can hum, and listen to the music and my partner; come on any professional musician listens to what the other instruments are doing while he/she plays; why cant us mere mortals do the same?
 
Singing

It's fascinating that people have such a different opinion on it. It's so fundamental to me that I just assumed everyone thought the same. I don't find it distracting, and the people I dance with who sing (or hum) along are often the ones I feel the best connection with.

I guess it's just another one of those things that everyone 'adjusts' to. I imagine it's pretty obvious that I enjoy my partner singing along. If they're doing so a bit nervously then I often hum along too for a while, as a sign of 'I'm okay with it if you are'! Of course, I can't hold a note at all well, so if I've ended up singing along I often feel the need to apologise at the end of the song...

By the way -- having somebody talking to me during the dance reduces me to complete incompetence, so it's definitely a different bit of the brain being used.

And if you've been 'lurking' anyway, perhaps it's out of place, but welcome to DF.
Thanks!
 

newbie

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The same way as I smile only when the follower makes a mistake, I sing only when irritated by something.
Move, move, fat guy, my danceline you are blockin
If you stay in my way then I will start pushin
 
It's fascinating that people have such a different opinion on it. It's so fundamental to me that I just assumed everyone thought the same. I don't find it distracting, and the people I dance with who sing (or hum) along are often the ones I feel the best connection with.
Can't agree more.
 

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