Do do we ever pay off the debt?

Muy main problem with Otros Aires/Gotan/Bajofondo is that they tend to meander around and never get to a point; it would fine if the tracks weren't over five minutes long. They're good vehicles for encouraging experimentation in movement, I suppose, but they don't inspire me to dance.

I think the longer Gotan tracks were probably meant to be live-mixed rather than played straight through.

I had really memorable tangos recently though to music from Debussy to Queen to Romantica Milonguera pop arrangements to Ukrainian folk song arrangements played by a live band.
 
I think the longer Gotan tracks were probably meant to be live-mixed rather than played straight through..
That's right, they can easily be mixed and extended. I once expanded a Bajo Fondo piece up to 20 minutes using my Traktor controller. The dancers were thrilled and cheered me on. But that was at my birthday party in late summer, not at a formal milonga. Young people need (and seek) more formal channels of expression. Improvisation and freestyle overwhelm them. We seniors have an advantage in this regard.
 
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Conjunto Berretin is local to me
Not overly keen on some of their music, but it's a subjective matter of taste. Live music is, most often, welcome.


It’s pretty interesting how often you hear the shock from the older people at the milongas they play in like “why is there a drumset?”
The key instrument in earlier AT music is, of course, the bandoneon. But it's about the effect it achieves, by the skill of the player on those notes, not just the tune. Other instruments (more common, 'easier') can approach that effect. We live in times where we can't afford the full orchestra, so compromises must be made. (And, if you had a full orchestra, or even some live band, then I wouldn't expect TTVTTM, or 4-song tandas!). The key element, for social AT, is that it should be danceable by regular dancers snd not require 'performers'.
 
Mixed perspective. When younger in AT I longed for some more contemporary music, but it's not as danceable. Nowadays I like Pugliese, Fresedo, D'Arienzo, some Canaro, Troilo, etc, and I like some by El Cachivache. Also other contemporary bands. I've danced to some Gotan, Otros Aires and Bajafondo. Like most music genres, some is subjectively ok, but I personally find it less pleasurable than older music written for dance. I don't find all the old AT music 'great' either! Some should have remained hidden (but maybe that's also the recording and lack of processing).

Is it detrimental? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. At least it puts AT music in the public eye - but perhaps as much as Strictly/DWTS, and few in social AT capitalise on that. A few milongas I attend more regularly include an occasional 'contemporary' tanda - some good; some best forgotten. Sometimes ohers appreciate those choices.
I have heard a lot of live sets where some songs are originally composed by the band itself. They are very danceable. Gotan project music is good to listen to but goes in a different direction.

My take is that it is possible to have new music which is danceable at “traditional” milongas. It fits with the GA music but is different with a fresh sound. Above all it is suited for dancing.
 
Contemporary but still ostensibly "traditional" (in some way) orchestras include:
Tango Bardo, La Juan D'Arienzo, Romantica Milonguera, Andariega, Orquesta Típica Sans Souci, Solo Tango Orchestra, Color Tango, Fabio Hager Sextet (bit old), Cuarteto Soltango, Sexteto Cristal, Fervor de Buenos Aires, Misteriosa Buenos Aires, Orquesta Típica Tanturi, Orquesta Típica Pichuco, Pablo Valle Sexteto, Orquesta Social Tango.

Others less traditional include Sexteto Andiamo, El Cachivache, La Santa Calavera, Amores Tangos, Duo Fuertes Varnerin, Orquesta Típica Fernando Fierrez, Hyperion Ensemble, Conjunto Berretin, Beltango, Las Bordonas...
Wow. I didn’t know there were so many contemporary bands. But I am not surprised.
 
Muy main problem with Otros Aires/Gotan/Bajofondo is that they tend to meander around and never get to a point; it would fine if the tracks weren't over five minutes long. They're good vehicles for encouraging experimentation in movement, I suppose, but they don't inspire me to dance.
I don’t think that is their purpose. I know my non-tango friends who like listening to these on long drives.
 
Young people need (and seek) more formal channels of expression. Improvisation and freestyle overwhelm them.

I think the opposite is true, or at least the partners that I dance with who like to improvise are younger on average, and often not impressed with the formality in tango.
 
Wow. I didn’t know there were so many contemporary bands. But I am not surprised.

There's even more groups that aren't easily found, or even available online — for example, @Rabbit told me about groups like that in Buenos Aires, such as San Osvaldo (which just released another EP last year).

Also, forgot a few more! La Auténtica Milonguera, Siempre Tango, Sonder Tango, Tangoloco/Daniel García Quintero, Bandonegro, Cuarteto Rotterdam, Sexteto Milonguero, Orquesta Silbando, Trio Garufa, Sexteto Mayor, Silencio Tango Orquesta. Definitely a bunch more I've forgotten/not saved in my playlists.

There's also a few student [?]/academic institution-affiliated orquestas. Those that come to mind include Orquesta de Tango de la UNA (I really enjoy their version of Por la vuelta), and Orquesta Escuela de Tango Emilio Balcarce, led by their namesake until he passed away. Not many people know that the Emilio Balcarce was in charge of Castillo's orquesta for the first few years after his split from Tanturi.
 
Wow. I didn’t know there were so many contemporary bands..
And the technical level of these musicians is incredibly high. Even though some say the GA bands are unsurpassed, I often find the contemporary musicians much better. Back then, orchestras were larger, and from the third violin and fourth bando onward, it was only about volume. I played in the "Orquestra Doble-H" for a while. The classically trained violinists literally had to relearn their instruments because the bowing technique in 1940s BsAs was completely different.
 
There's even more groups that aren't easily found, or even available online — for example, @Rabbit told me about groups like that in Buenos Aires, such as San Osvaldo (which just released another EP last year).

Also, forgot a few more! La Auténtica Milonguera, Siempre Tango, Sonder Tango, Tangoloco/Daniel García Quintero, Bandonegro, Cuarteto Rotterdam, Sexteto Milonguero, Orquesta Silbando, Trio Garufa, Sexteto Mayor, Silencio Tango Orquesta. Definitely a bunch more I've forgotten/not saved in my playlists.

There's also a few student [?]/academic institution-affiliated orquestas. Those that come to mind include Orquesta de Tango de la UNA (I really enjoy their version of Por la vuelta), and Orquesta Escuela de Tango Emilio Balcarce, led by their namesake until he passed away. Not many people know that the Emilio Balcarce was in charge of Castillo's orquesta for the first few years after his split from Tanturi.
I can’t remember the names, but I have danced to live music by may be half of these mentioned. In a year if I am going out regularly I end up dancing to about 20 different bands/groups. Some local, and some visiting. They might play a few originals.

I have never tracked how many originals they release every year. Most of these musicians are not full time. Those that are mainly make living teaching and also performing non-tango music. Performing tango music is mostly part time.

I heard contemporary music that has been composed for dancing and that for listening. Many of these musicians know the difference.

It appears that the canon of contemporary tango music that can be played at traditional milonga is fairly big. So the music is not dying. The neo tango like Gotan project is separate genre where most of that music will not fit in traditional milongas.
 
I have two comments or additions to that:
..It appears that the canon of contemporary tango music that can be played at traditional milonga is fairly big..
I use different terminology. For me, the music you're referring to is "retro", since it mostly uses old arrangements and is based on the sound of historical models. I find Gotan &al. is contemporary.
The neo tango like Gotan project is separate genre where most of that music will not fit in traditional milongas.
I'm an so-called 80:20 tango DJ (i.e., 20% non-, neo-, what-the-?, otros ritmos). Not because I love in particular neo-tango and the like, but simply because the average traditional milonga audience loves variety. I always get a lot of compliments that someone is finally brave playing neo-tango at traditional milongas. It's not about pure doctrine; we DJs have to cater to the masses, not the die-hards.
 
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I have never tracked how many originals they release every year. Most of these musicians are not full time. Those that are mainly make living teaching and also performing non-tango music. Performing tango music is mostly part time.

I think it's partly because tango music is often a passion project that we have creativity and the groups can find their own interpretation rather than play it safe.
 
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