Emotional maturity or what is that we are looking at - Gavito Festival 2024/Gustavo Naveira - Giselle Anne ?

Brummbaer said:
Do I need to judge them for whatever their disagreement was about?
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Coming to this late. From little I understand and see, it is about his behavior in public infront of everyone else. What does it have to do with any private disagreements? Whatever the cause, that behavior clearly shows loss of control on his part and he deserves all the condemnation he is getting.
 
Bailango said:
Whatever the cause, that behavior clearly shows loss of control on his part and he deserves all the condemnation he is getting.
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I don't know what he deserves because I don't know the circumstances. And I don't think it's about the loss of control, something like that would be understandable to some point given the stress of a performance.

It's what comes to light under this stress, that domineering, almost violent manner. You can't help but wonder what happens in private when it's shown in front of the whole audience. So I wouldn't attach much importance to his wordy apology, he might appearently need therapeutic help. More than ever, because his career as a teacher and performer could come to an abrupt end now.
 
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Bailango said:
Coming to this late. From little I understand and see, it is about his behavior in public infront of everyone else. What does it have to do with any private disagreements? Whatever the cause, that behavior clearly shows loss of control on his part and he deserves all the condemnation he is getting.
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Well, some of her behaviour afterwards got removed. They had a disagreement and, unfortunately, brought it to the public where it got shipped around the world. We don't know the background, nor should it matter to us (unless it involves some illegal actions).

I guess, if you've got a partner, there's been similar regrettable behaviour. We might just think we're better than that.

It's their problem. And, of course, up to them how they manage their public personas.
 
full video of all the dances and even a speech by gustavo before the dance


can’t completely fault the audience for clapping with that entire perspective, it may be unclear what’s actually going on from certain angles and the hype from the previous dances.
 
itwillhappen said:
I don't know what he deserves because I don't know the circumstances. And I don't think it's about the loss of control, something like that would be understandable to some point given the stress of a performance.

It's what comes to light under this stress, that domineering, almost violent manner. You can't help but wonder what happens in private when it's shown in front of the whole audience. So I wouldn't attach much importance to his wordy apology, he might appearently need therapeutic help. More than ever, because his career as a teacher and performer could come to an abrupt end now.
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Your first and second para appear to contradict each other to me.
 
Brummbaer said:
Well, some of her behaviour afterwards got removed.
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I did watch three videos. It was hard to make out what happened. Some full length of 10-12 minutes. Some 3 minutes (of second song performance). People commented he was constantly talking and berating her while dancing. I couldn’t see it. Not everything is clear in the video. There is also the part where he is clearly walking away from her. It might look like a choreography. But it happens abruptly after two-third of the song. She is clearly trying to engage him. He keeps being disengaged and avoiding. If he had completed the second song and then refused to perform the third that would still be acceptable. I think it is how he was publicly insulting of his partner in public when all eyes were on them. His apology speaks for itself in that his behavior was not okay. It was akin to proverbial slap on the partner’s face when performing infront of an audience.

I think it is called washing your dirty linen in public.

I am not sure what was her behavior afterwards that got removed. Unless she tried to kick or slap him back.

Brummbaer said:
They had a disagreement and, unfortunately, brought it to the public where it got shipped around the world. We don't know the background, nor should it matter to us (unless it involves some illegal actions).
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Why should we need to know any background. But it should matter one person insulted other publicly. He could have refused to perform in the first place at that moment and let organizers know. He was unable to control his impulses.

This reminds me of Zidane head butting in the World Cup final.
 
Bailango said:
Your first and second para appear to contradict each other to me.
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Well, what he did would be the subject of evidence in a criminal trial, here with video and many eyewitnesses.

What (punishment) he deserves would be determined taking into account the circumstances, which we do not know. (And in general, circumstances are conceivable where even in the case of manslaughter committed in the heat of the moment, the punishment tends towards zero.)
 
itwillhappen said:
Well, what he did would be the subject of evidence in a criminal trial, here with video and many eyewitnesses.

What (punishment) he deserves would be determined taking into account the circumstances, which we do not know. (And in general, circumstances are conceivable where even in the case of manslaughter committed in the heat of the moment, the punishment tends towards zero.)
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But we are not talking about punishment or what consequences should be.

I thought the discussion or the question is whether his behavior was inappropriate and if so, how inappropriate. That has nothing to do with how or if there should be consequences.
 
itwillhappen said:
(And in general, circumstances are conceivable where even in the case of manslaughter committed in the heat of the moment, the punishment tends towards zero.)
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Zidane got punished for his heat in the moment act of head butting. If I remember he was immediately sent off the field. Would you instead have advocated in general approach of fact finding by the on-field refree pending which he should have been allowed to continue playing in the game? We know the other player provoked him by abusing his sister. What if he had waited to finish the game and then head butt that player. The public might have been more sympathetic in that case. Because the player abusing his sister to his face was being unsportsmanlike like and knew there would be no consequences for his words. I say that knowing sledging your opponents in team sports by referring to their female relatives (mom, GFs, wives, sisters) is not uncommon in basketball, cricket, football, etc. Some (example aussies in cricket) do it more than the others.

Only in very rare exceptional situations there are zero consequences for manslaughter committed in heat of the moment. That doesn’t qualify for being prefaced with “in general”.
 
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