opendoor
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For those who dont know 3-3-2 yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxi7WFlQAf0
Fast Tango or Milonga
- Thread starter Hock Siew
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I dont' know what you mean when you say you hear the rhythm but you don't hear the beats...
Dear all,
I have a question on the above. When listening to the music, how do you know whether it is a supposed to be a fast Tango or whether it's a Milonga? I guess it may be difficult to describe it on a forum like this; but perhaps some of you may be able to help.
Thanks and Regards,
Hock Siew
Do you know any ballroom or Latin dances? If it feels like you could make Fox Trot fit (slow,slow,quick, quick) do tango. If it feels like you'd need to do Meringue (1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) do milonga (and learn to add traspie' to take advantage of the da-dum dum DUM...)
Well, its an explanation that's always worked for me when I talk to ballroom dancers....
Mario7
Member
. Will try and figure it out!
There's nothing to 'figure out'...you just hear it and know it.
I never have any doubt as to a Tango or Milonga song...because
the Milonga has a certain beat that is always in the background;
Da-daaaah-da....da!
..if there is someone who reads music out there...I thought that I posted music on this thread...just find a sheet of music for a Milonga and there it is...the beat.
opendoor
Forum Master
"En Un Bondi Color Humo"
And what do you think about Melingo`s En Un Bondi Color Humo ? Is it a case of Milonga or Canyengue?
on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_sSToc6xA
at amazon: http://www.amazon.de/Maldito-Tango-...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1261491232&sr=1-1
thanks in advance
OD
And what do you think about Melingo`s En Un Bondi Color Humo ? Is it a case of Milonga or Canyengue?
on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_sSToc6xA
at amazon: http://www.amazon.de/Maldito-Tango-...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1261491232&sr=1-1
thanks in advance
OD
Well, in places it has the milonga rhythm, but it seems intermittent and the whole tempo is rather slow. Milonga, along with the particular rhythmic pattern, also has a driving feeling to it, which this tune does not, IMO.
Also, as I understand it, canyenque is an older style of tango, not a different dance.
This music doesn't make me want to dance.
opendoor
Forum Master
Re "En Un Bondi Color Humo"
Hi AndaBien, I mean the music style canyengue, not the dancing style. Canyengue is the music of ElChoclo, LaCumparsita and DerechoViejo.
Today I would say "En Un Bondi Color Humo" is a Canyengue piece because I hear this typical heavy da-da-di-tic-tic-tic pattern, but yesterday I heared the Milonga aspect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_tango#Tango_canyengue
Hi AndaBien, I mean the music style canyengue, not the dancing style. Canyengue is the music of ElChoclo, LaCumparsita and DerechoViejo.
Today I would say "En Un Bondi Color Humo" is a Canyengue piece because I hear this typical heavy da-da-di-tic-tic-tic pattern, but yesterday I heared the Milonga aspect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_tango#Tango_canyengue
Mario7
Member
This is obviously a Milonga. No question about it except for the weird introduction. When the singer begins his song, the milonga beat begins also in the background. Listen to that beat..get it's rhythm, it will be exactly the same in every Milonga song that you will ever dance to. There is no confusing it with a Tango...never.
Then, checking the video about a minute and a half in; they are playing something completely different..very confusing and frustrating 'music' if you ask me.
I agree with andabien that the band sucks and I wouldn't dance to it...this is the BIG problem with most tango bands today. They always seem to have come to rehearse together rather than to drive a dancefloor. My advice; don't patronize them until they figure it out.
Peaches
Well-Known Member
Hmmm...lemme see if I can explain this. (I admit it doesn't make a ton of sense, but it's perfectly clean in my mind!
)Usually when I listen to (non-AT) music I hear it first in terms of its time signature. 4/4, 2/4, 3/4...or my favorites: compound meters (6/8/, 12/8). Now and again you find a really interesting song in something totally bizarre; "Money" by Pink Floyd is 7/4, "Take Five" by Dave Brubeck is 5/4, and there's a part of one of the songs from Amelie which is 17/something. The point is, I'm always very aware of the time signature, and the structure, and the beats.
When I listen to traditional AT music, and particularly when I dance to it, I just...don't hear it in the same way. (This isn't helping, I know.) Obviously I can hear the pulse. I can hear the beats, and count them if I wished. But they just take such a back seat to so much else in the music. I'll hear the pulse...but there's the way energy builds and releases and flows, there's filigree, there's melody...there's just so much else. I hear the rhythm of it--which I suppose is the beats--but I don't every fit it to a time signature. Half the time, if you asked, I'd have to stop and re-listen to see if I'm on the 1, 2, 3 or 4. (Vals is a generally a bit different.) It's not that I can't hear them, it's that I'm not paying attention to what part of the measure I'm in. I'm paying attention to other stuff.
The only other thing I can compare it to is how, in BR dances, you have figures/steps that cross measures. Think of EC swing, for example. Triple, triple, rock step...it's six beats. Of course I hear the beats, and I pay attention to find a 1 for starting, but after that I lose track of what beat of the music I'm on. I just don't much care; it doesn't have much bearing on what I'm doing.
Furthermore, the way swing is danced/accented makes me hear to the music differently than if I'm listening for "conducting purposes." Swing, AFAIK, accents the 2 and 4; 4/4 music (which is used for ECS) typically has a primary accent on 1 and a secondary accent on 3. It's an interesting exercise to go from listening to the "conducting accent" to the "dance accent;" it completely changes how the music sounds. It's kind of like playing with different channels on a stereo, and turning up the treble or the bass and seeing what the music sounds like. Or like listening to someone play piano, and play with the voicing throughout a passage...the same set of notes takes on a completely different sound, and the same passage can have a completely different feel and meaning if just the voicing is changed.
*shrug* I don't know if that makes any more sense. I know what I mean, but I haven't yet found a good way to explain it.